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VillageCraft Boards => Ban/Punishment Appeals => Topic started by: cjm721 on 20 January 2013, 03:26:36 AM
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After quite a while of debating I have decided to request to be unbanned. I know I let my emotions get the best of me and I took it out on everyone on the server, and for that you all have my apology. If I am unbanned I will be quite and just keep to myself. One of the main reasons I want to come back is that with 1.5 coming I would like to see if I can work on most of the redstone creations I have built and like before make them faster and more efficient.
CJ
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What behavior specifically are you apologizing for? What were you emotional about? I'd just like to know more as to why we should unban you.
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What behavior specifically are you apologizing for? What were you emotional about? I'd just like to know more as to why we should unban you.
The same reason I was banned for, harassment/bullying.
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The reason for your ban is as follows:
Breach of powers; Douche; Harassment; Bullying
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The reason for your ban is as follows:
Breach of powers; Douche; Harassment; Bullying
Of which the first thing (break of powers) was already discussed fully before I was even banned and it came down to that there was no action taken. So no real idea what that is on there besides what ako told me.
Also said the douche was part of the harassment/bullying.
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I see you're still answering questions without answering them. :)
Anyone else?
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I see you're still answering questions without answering them. :)
Anyone else?
Well considering there is already thread on the breach of powers I don't think it really needs to be reposed again or it would never been in the private section in the first place. I'll leave that up to ako to decide if he wants to pull that over or not.
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Hi CJ,
It's my understanding that you have an (albeit it outdated) clone of the VC server.
Seeing as this would contain all of your redstone creations, can you provide more detail on why you would like to come back to the VC community to work on them?
Thanks,
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Hi CJ,
It's my understanding that you have an (albeit it outdated) clone of the VC server.
Seeing as this would contain all of your redstone creations, can you provide more detail on why you would like to come back to the VC community to work on them?
Thanks,
Because most of the clones are just full plugin and configs. I only do map clone every other week.
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Also for the entire last month I had no access to downloading the world file anyways.
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i hat cj he shuld stay baned
(boylink125 told me to say this)
Note: unless you are appealing a punishment, please don't post in someone else's appeal unless you have evidence or information that would make your intervention worthwhile. We don't need comments or opinions, unless we ask for them. Evidence and information is okay. Intervening with irrelevant posts that are not important to the appeal may result in an immediate forum temporary ban. Please, though, post useful information, observations, and interpretations if they add to the thread.
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I want to believe you when you say that you won't... be yourself. But I don't.
I might be alone on this but I've enjoyed my time on the server a lot more without your presence.
I'm sorry.
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I want to believe you when you say that you won't... be yourself. But I don't.
I might be alone on this but I've enjoyed my time on the server a lot more without your presence.
I'm sorry.
Wouldn't the same be said for any ban appeal then? This is the first time I have been banned and my first appeal.
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Yes it would, obviously. And because this is a ban appeal I'm saying why I disagree with this opportunity especially since your pitch to be unbanned is lousy.
You know what you did that was an important reason for you not to be here anymore, and you don't want to talk about that. Fine, but I don't trust you and quite frankly you made me nervous because of how shady that was.
I also don't want you back because of how you treated staff--which was pernicious and none of us deserve that load of bullshit.
Then there's the players you constantly started shit with, you're horribly condescending to both players and staff, you have no limit when you insult a person and I'm not just saying that because I'm a victim of your exhausting acrimony. You'll never change, it's just who you are. Why bother.
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Yes it would, obviously. And because this is a ban appeal I'm saying why I disagree with this opportunity especially since your pitch to be unbanned is lousy.
You know what you did that was an important reason for you not to be here anymore, and you don't want to talk about that. Fine, but I don't trust you and quite frankly you made me nervous because of how shady that was.
I also don't want you back because of how you treated staff--which was pernicious and none of us deserve that load of bullshit.
Then there's the players you constantly started shit with, you're horribly condescending to both players and staff, you have no limit when you insult a person and I'm not just saying that because I'm a victim of your exhausting acrimony. You'll never change, it's just who you are. Why bother.
So where did the spirit of second chances go? I am willing to let past things go. I know I screwed up and hurt alot of people's feelings but is that deserving of never letting it go?
What can I even do to any of you anymore or even before? Only thing we have to know of each other is words and you can be a command away from removing that connection. Is there that much risk of letting me come back on the server?
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Yes it would, obviously. And because this is a ban appeal I'm saying why I disagree with this opportunity especially since your pitch to be unbanned is lousy.
You know what you did that was an important reason for you not to be here anymore, and you don't want to talk about that. Fine, but I don't trust you and quite frankly you made me nervous because of how shady that was.
I also don't want you back because of how you treated staff--which was pernicious and none of us deserve that load of bullshit.
Then there's the players you constantly started shit with, you're horribly condescending to both players and staff, you have no limit when you insult a person and I'm not just saying that because I'm a victim of your exhausting acrimony. You'll never change, it's just who you are. Why bother.
So where did the spirit of second chances go? I am willing to let past things go. I know I screwed up and hurt alot of people's feelings but is that deserving of never letting it go?
What can I even do to any of you anymore or even before? Only thing we have to know of each other is words and you can be a command away from removing that connection. Is there that much risk of letting me come back on the server?
[Im posting this for a reason, don't see the reason, ok]
Cj has a point, most people get another chance, cj is not by the looks off it.
Plus hes willing to put it behind him and try again.
We should give him that chance, otherwise if he screws up again.
Then we can not give him another chance, does that seem fair?
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Yes it would, obviously. And because this is a ban appeal I'm saying why I disagree with this opportunity especially since your pitch to be unbanned is lousy.
You know what you did that was an important reason for you not to be here anymore, and you don't want to talk about that. Fine, but I don't trust you and quite frankly you made me nervous because of how shady that was.
I also don't want you back because of how you treated staff--which was pernicious and none of us deserve that load of bullshit.
Then there's the players you constantly started shit with, you're horribly condescending to both players and staff, you have no limit when you insult a person and I'm not just saying that because I'm a victim of your exhausting acrimony. You'll never change, it's just who you are. Why bother.
So where did the spirit of second chances go? I am willing to let past things go. I know I screwed up and hurt alot of people's feelings but is that deserving of never letting it go?
What can I even do to any of you anymore or even before? Only thing we have to know of each other is words and you can be a command away from removing that connection. Is there that much risk of letting me come back on the server?
Did you read anything I said?
You've made a very negative impact on the server and this appeal is a crock of shit.
I'm not convinced you should get a second chance.
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Yes it would, obviously. And because this is a ban appeal I'm saying why I disagree with this opportunity especially since your pitch to be unbanned is lousy.
You know what you did that was an important reason for you not to be here anymore, and you don't want to talk about that. Fine, but I don't trust you and quite frankly you made me nervous because of how shady that was.
I also don't want you back because of how you treated staff--which was pernicious and none of us deserve that load of bullshit.
Then there's the players you constantly started shit with, you're horribly condescending to both players and staff, you have no limit when you insult a person and I'm not just saying that because I'm a victim of your exhausting acrimony. You'll never change, it's just who you are. Why bother.
So where did the spirit of second chances go? I am willing to let past things go. I know I screwed up and hurt alot of people's feelings but is that deserving of never letting it go?
What can I even do to any of you anymore or even before? Only thing we have to know of each other is words and you can be a command away from removing that connection. Is there that much risk of letting me come back on the server?
[Im posting this for a reason, don't see the reason, ok]
Cj has a point, most people get another chance, cj is not by the looks off it.
Plus hes willing to put it behind him and try again.
We should give him that chance, otherwise if he screws up again.
Then we can not give him another chance, does that seem fair?
I was under the impression that he used his second chance when he was removed from staff. That being said I am most likely not going to be giving my personal opinion because I was not around and no the whole story.
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Ban appeals are won or lost depending on if the person in question makes a solid case that they have accepted what they did wrong and have learned from it, and clearly plan on being a productive member of the community going forwards.
You have not answered the questions posed to you in this thread, which is your typical 'sideslip' routine that we have seen time and time before.
If your only reason to come back is to play with redstone, you are free to do so on single player or another server.
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Quite frankly, I think Cj is constantly searching for more power. Many of the actions we are currently keeping private can be explained by this “power complex”. He targeted me because I have the ability to mediate. He wanted direct access to his opponent, and he cannot do so when someone is reffing. He has attempted to defame me multiple times, such as:
[12/5/2012 3:45:58 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: intersting stuff you can find on the internet http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1477117-turtloidxperience-142-economy/page__st__20#entry18768400
He also tried to verbally fight me in the citizens skype channel. After defending myself and having a little bit of fun, Cay decides to kick me from the chat because I poke fun at Cj and her (this was after they poked fun at Star and I). In order to "defend" myself, I quoted Aysun's humorous comment. I left the group when Cay muted me for no real reason (as I saw no real point to continue to listen to Cj without having the ability to respond); he swiftly took the conversation to the general chat on the server to continue the harassment. He had a power complex, and quite frankly, was sucking all the fun out of this game (and server) for the staff and players alike.
Cj and Knite brought reports to me (which I believe had no real validity [which we covered in said reports]). When I took everything into consideration and interviewed a few people, I decided there was no real staff abuse and ruled in favor of the staff. Cj then took the report to the General section of the forums because I could not lock it. His excuse was that the case was "unresolved". However, when a player brings a case to me, I have the ability to investigate and resolve it. He just didn't like the outcome and wanted to continue the "fight", plain and simple.
RESPONSIBILITIES
Staff Abuse
13. Player Representatives must assist in all cases of potential or alleged staff abuse that is presented to him or her by a player on the Reports and Grievances board.
14. PRs will be required to analyze evidence presented to them both by the players involved, as well as the staff involved in an unbiased and equal manner.
15. PRs will be required to give an informed and fair verdict, which may include any and all punishments as allowed by the POWERS section below.
a) In the case where PRs have conflicting ideas for a verdict; the Staff may vote on either of the verdicts, and if that is a tie the Parliament may vote, and if that is a tie the general playerbase may vote, and if that is a tie an administrator or PR will be randomly chosen to decide the verdict.
I know many people were not happy with Cj. The list includes members from the staff and the player base. After all, I am supposed to be representing the voice of the pubic.
To continue this wall of text, I will summarize. I believe Cj's previous behavior has been unacceptable because it was driving many away.
Personally, I think this ban appeal is very selfish. He wants to be unbanned because he wants to play with his old "toys" again.
Quite frankly, I asked for your forgiveness, Cj. I wanted you to know that I did make some mistakes on how I went about a few things. You did not forgive me. A quote from our skype conversation:
[12/4/2012 10:47:33 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: I'm not one for just saying your forgiven, I watch and see if you change but I do treat the situation as if it did not happen. The idea fool me once its on you fool me twice its on me.
I believe you were given many chances to shape up after you left the staff. The staff were more than lenient with you than I think many other servers would have been. Why should the staff and player base feel the need to forgive you when you didn't return the favor?
As Rune has said on this ban appeal:
Hi CJ,
It's my understanding that you have an (albeit it outdated) clone of the VC server.
Seeing as this would contain all of your redstone creations, can you provide more detail on why you would like to come back to the VC community to work on them?
Thanks,
It's outdated, but to my understanding (please do correct me if I am wrong), not of your major redstone creations are young enough not to be on that VC server clone.
If your only reason to come back is to play with redstone, you are free to do so on single player or another server.
Why couldn't you just work on them in the clone?
It just seems like this ban appeal is a better written form of "ZOMG doodz, pl0x lemme back on teh servurh becuz I miss muh stoofs". There isn't much more aside from you saying you will change from your ways and keep to yourself... which is a tough pill to swallow after some things came to light.
Thanks for reading.
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I know this appeal was sitting here for some time with few replies, which is unordinary. But this isn't an ordinary situation, and I personally was thinking of how to reply. I'll just say that I think this appeal was too soon.
I had a few things to say, but they have already been covered, so I'll simply reiterate and expand upon them;
- Aysun was hoping your appeal would be longer, much more detailed, and talk much more about your negative impact on the server (which is why you were banned). I was hoping that too. I think your appeal is vaguely guided by what Sound was suggesting you need to address, but instead of addressing anything you just turned some jot notes into a very short paragraph.
- Dark's impression that you had essentially used up chances upon being removed from staff is accurate.
- Runek's characterization of what we look for in a ban appeal is correct.
- Kovos hit on many points that should have, or should be, addressed in this appeal.
There is a Staff vote underway as to how we should handle this appeal, and in terms of the appeal itself, the Staff can obviously only take into account only what is written here, so CJ, you might consider... addressing more.
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Yes it would, obviously. And because this is a ban appeal I'm saying why I disagree with this opportunity especially since your pitch to be unbanned is lousy.
You know what you did that was an important reason for you not to be here anymore, and you don't want to talk about that. Fine, but I don't trust you and quite frankly you made me nervous because of how shady that was.
I also don't want you back because of how you treated staff--which was pernicious and none of us deserve that load of bullshit.
Then there's the players you constantly started shit with, you're horribly condescending to both players and staff, you have no limit when you insult a person and I'm not just saying that because I'm a victim of your exhausting acrimony. You'll never change, it's just who you are. Why bother.
So where did the spirit of second chances go? I am willing to let past things go. I know I screwed up and hurt alot of people's feelings but is that deserving of never letting it go?
What can I even do to any of you anymore or even before? Only thing we have to know of each other is words and you can be a command away from removing that connection. Is there that much risk of letting me come back on the server?
[Im posting this for a reason, don't see the reason, ok]
Cj has a point, most people get another chance, cj is not by the looks off it.
Plus hes willing to put it behind him and try again.
We should give him that chance, otherwise if he screws up again.
Then we can not give him another chance, does that seem fair?
I was under the impression that he used his second chance when he was removed from staff. That being said I am most likely not going to be giving my personal opinion because I was not around and no the whole story.
Considering the whole abuse of power was covered in a private thread of which came down to "I simply announce that CJ is dismissed from the Staff" -Akomine and that was after he talked to the staff about me having more access then the rest of staff knew (I was the one that told ako what I could do and showed him how willingly, ie before Jan posted about it, which raises the whole question of why that was even brought into it as I could of just never showed/told ako and none of you would of found out but instead I trusted Akomine and showed and told him then get punished for bringing that info forward)
Ban appeals are won or lost depending on if the person in question makes a solid case that they have accepted what they did wrong and have learned from it, and clearly plan on being a productive member of the community going forwards.
You have not answered the questions posed to you in this thread, which is your typical 'sideslip' routine that we have seen time and time before.
If your only reason to come back is to play with redstone, you are free to do so on single player or another server.
Of which how much do we want answered publicly? If Akomine wanted it all as public info it would of been in a public area after you all had discussed for a bit in the staff only board, instead it wen't to a private area and until he tells me other wise I will keep myself from posting info from it or other sources which I do not believe you all want public. Now if that is not the case I will answer your questions but I have been trying to keep from divulging info that was still at least semi private before, but that does make this appeal rather odd for any staff member as they know much more back story that has been kept from most of the player base.
Now since both rune and kovos bring this up I will quote myself about why I want to come back "One of the main reasons...." I did not say only. There are still people I use to talk to quite a bit but only through game, I enjoyed running around the server looking at what other people had built, and VillageCraft has always been a place where I can pretty much free build because of the amount of income I had plus the Qualia shops because like most people just seeing chat keeps playing more interesting especially when compared to singleplayer.
Quite frankly, I think Cj is constantly searching for more power. Many of the actions we are currently keeping private can be explained by this “power complex”. He targeted me because I have the ability to mediate. He wanted direct access to his opponent, and he cannot do so when someone is reffing. He has attempted to defame me multiple times, such as:
[12/5/2012 3:45:58 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: intersting stuff you can find on the internet http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1477117-turtloidxperience-142-economy/page__st__20#entry18768400 (http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1477117-turtloidxperience-142-economy/page__st__20#entry18768400)
He also tried to verbally fight me in the citizens skype channel. After defending myself and having a little bit of fun, Cay decides to kick me from the chat because I poke fun at Cj and her (this was after they poked fun at Star and I). In order to "defend" myself, I quoted Aysun's humorous comment. I left the group when Cay muted me for no real reason (as I saw no real point to continue to listen to Cj without having the ability to respond); he swiftly took the conversation to the general chat on the server to continue the harassment. He had a power complex, and quite frankly, was sucking all the fun out of this game (and server) for the staff and players alike.
Well from what you took from skype lets extend and give some context of your response and my response to your response.
[12/5/2012 6:04:04 PM] Kovos Datch: Indeed. I took a break from VC for a while to play on Rainy's Tekkit server. I thought it would be a trip seeing how "good" his server was. I never played Tekkit before, and I thought Rainy's server was a quick way to learn. It was until the same old crap started happening. I left because the staff was foolish.
[12/5/2012 6:06:15 PM] Kovos Datch: If you are trying to defame me in some way, you will have to do better than that as I did the right thing and got out of "Dodge". As you can see, I only stayed on for about 6 days because it was that bad. It's no secret I was on the server.
[12/5/2012 6:08:17 PM] Kovos Datch: In fact, I find it interesting you would bring this up at this point in time. Seems like mudslinging to me. Unlike others, I choose to stand by my mistakes. I am not perfect and do not claim to be. Those people learn nothing in their lifetimes. I chose to learn from mine to become a better person.
[12/5/2012 6:38:59 PM] CJ Miller: wow kovos was just looking at our forum post on minecraftforums and found it.
[12/5/2012 6:40:01 PM] Kovos Datch: And why bring it up at this time.... or even at all? It makes no sense that you would even bring it up. Ako already knows alll this
[12/5/2012 6:40:04 PM] CJ Miller: if you want me to remove it I will.
[12/5/2012 6:40:24 PM] Kovos Datch: I don't really care. I gave my explaination.
[12/5/2012 6:40:32 PM] CJ Miller: then why do you care about it
[12/5/2012 6:40:54 PM] Kovos Datch: [Wednesday, December 05, 2012 6:40 PM] Kovos Datch:
<<< I don't really care. I gave my explaination.
[12/5/2012 6:41:06 PM] Kovos Datch: Key words: I don't really care.
[12/5/2012 6:41:07 PM | Edited by Cayrat, 10:08:06 PM] CJ Miller: [Wednesday, December 05, 2012 6:04 PM] Kovos Datch:
<<< Indeed. I took a break from VC for a while to play on Rainy's Tekkit server. I thought it would be a trip seeing how "good" his server was. I never played Tekkit before, and I thought Rainy's server was a quick way to learn. It was until the same old crap started happening. I left because the staff was foolish.
If you are trying to defame me in some way, you will have to do better than that as I did the right thing and got out of "Dodge". As you can see, I only stayed on for about 6 days because it was that bad. It's no secret I was on the server.
In fact, I find it interesting you would bring this up at this point in time. Seems like mudslinging to me. Unlike others, I choose to stand by my mistakes. I am not perfect and do not claim to be. Those people learn nothing in their lifetimes. I chose to learn from mine to become a better person. is not caring?
[12/5/2012 6:41:51 PM] Kovos Datch: Oh no, I gave my explaination.... I believe that is fair game. I don't care if you keep it or delete it
[12/5/2012 6:42:08 PM] Kovos Datch: You are confusing what I am apathetical about
And to emphasize a line "[12/5/2012 6:40:04 PM] CJ Miller: if you want me to remove it I will." and this your response kovos was that you did not care either way and the only other person who showed they were there was cayrat so she would of been the only other person to see it before I would of removed it.
Also the point of that message was more to show that rainy was having trouble keeping staff then that you where on it. You even said yourself it was no secret that you where playing on his server.
Cj and Knite brought reports to me (which I believe had no real validity [which we covered in said reports]). When I took everything into consideration and interviewed a few people, I decided there was no real staff abuse and ruled in favor of the staff. Cj then took the report to the General section of the forums because I could not lock it. His excuse was that the case was "unresolved". However, when a player brings a case to me, I have the ability to investigate and resolve it. He just didn't like the outcome and wanted to continue the "fight", plain and simple.
RESPONSIBILITIES
Staff Abuse
13. Player Representatives must assist in all cases of potential or alleged staff abuse that is presented to him or her by a player on the Reports and Grievances board.
14. PRs will be required to analyze evidence presented to them both by the players involved, as well as the staff involved in an unbiased and equal manner.
15. PRs will be required to give an informed and fair verdict, which may include any and all punishments as allowed by the POWERS section below.
a) In the case where PRs have conflicting ideas for a verdict; the Staff may vote on either of the verdicts, and if that is a tie the Parliament may vote, and if that is a tie the general playerbase may vote, and if that is a tie an administrator or PR will be randomly chosen to decide the verdict.
"I have the ability to investigate and resolve it. He just didn't like the outcome and wanted to continue the "fight", plain and simple." yet there was still 39 messages after I started that topic. So how is that considered resolved? Considering look at the information Braingkk in the continued thread:
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2) i like to think that i am good at pvp, and as a result always carried a second set of armour on me for when mine broke, now that i know of this method (that i did not know of before) i have extra space in my inv for other stuff.
it might not be a major revelation to some, but it does take away the edge when say i get a few other ppl to actually try and fight cj, knowing things like this do harm him, as now the advantage that he had is lost, as I DO have several sets of prot4 armour and now will utilize said method in future pvp battles
I know many people were not happy with Cj. The list includes members from the staff and the player base. After all, I am supposed to be representing the voice of the pubic.
To continue this wall of text, I will summarize. I believe Cj's previous behavior has been unacceptable because it was driving many away.
Personally, I think this ban appeal is very selfish. He wants to be unbanned because he wants to play with his old "toys" again.
Most of everything I did that is being brought up was at staff not the player base. And to the second part of that statement same thing I said bellow the quote from rune.
Quite frankly, I asked for your forgiveness, Cj. I wanted you to know that I did make some mistakes on how I went about a few things. You did not forgive me. A quote from our skype conversation:
[12/4/2012 10:47:33 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: I'm not one for just saying your forgiven, I watch and see if you change but I do treat the situation as if it did not happen. The idea fool me once its on you fool me twice its on me.
I believe you were given many chances to shape up after you left the staff. The staff were more than lenient with you than I think many other servers would have been. Why should the staff and player base feel the need to forgive you when you didn't return the favor?
Part about forgiving you. Summed up 'Actions speak louder then words', and that I will treat everything as it did not happen. I have said the same thing to anyone who has asked for forgiveness from me and I don't see what that has to do with this unless your trying to state that I am some mean person when in fact I said I will wipe the slate clean, but your actions from now on will determine if it stays clean. As another note on that:
[12/4/2012 9:48:32 PM] Kovos Datch: Fair enough I suppose. I also appriciate your attempts to keep the whole trial private until verdict
(His reponce to my 12/4/2012 10:47:33 PM message)
Kovos if you are annoyed that I did not straight up say "I forgive you" then why you not mention it?
Now if your trying to direct it towards how I was acting in-game/forums once ako told me to cut it out on the forums I did, we continued on for a bit privately but other then that it ended. The only thing that I know of that I did after that was insulting Star (would anyone acuuly mind giving the full instances of the harassment/bulling as I think I know what all is being considered harassment)
Which leads me to the next part is that when I was banned this is how it went:
1) Was on the server from about 3:40pm to 11:30pm when it went down of which that last thing I said was at 10:21:21pm (centeral time)
2) Server goes down for a bit and come back up, I try to log in and I am banned.
3) I have to message Akomine to figgure out why then and details of it (Which I will not post that message unless he gives me permission too).
Notice I did not talk to anyone for that last hour and as far as I know no one talked to me in that last hour. So I log off thinking server is just restarting to come back and find out I am banned without any indication in that last hour. When was the last time that we banned someone without telling they are being banned before doing it when the person in question was on?
As Rune has said on this ban appeal:
Hi CJ,
It's my understanding that you have an (albeit it outdated) clone of the VC server.
Seeing as this would contain all of your redstone creations, can you provide more detail on why you would like to come back to the VC community to work on them?
Thanks,
It's outdated, but to my understanding (please do correct me if I am wrong), not of your major redstone creations are young enough not to be on that VC server clone.
If your only reason to come back is to play with redstone, you are free to do so on single player or another server.
Why couldn't you just work on them in the clone?
There is an entire month of which I was not on staff of which my last clone of the server is from the night before I resigned from staff, but that one did not include the over-world, so the last one with the over-world is another two weeks behind that (6-7 weeks old). Also scrool back up and see where I talk about that my redstone stuff is not the only part.
It just seems like this ban appeal is a better written form of "ZOMG doodz, pl0x lemme back on teh servurh becuz I miss muh stoofs". There isn't much more aside from you saying you will change from your ways and keep to yourself... which is a tough pill to swallow after some things came to light.
Thanks for reading.
I know this appeal was sitting here for some time with few replies, which is unordinary. But this isn't an ordinary situation, and I personally was thinking of how to reply. I'll just say that I think this appeal was too soon.
I had a few things to say, but they have already been covered, so I'll simply reiterate and expand upon them;
- Aysun was hoping your appeal would be longer, much more detailed, and talk much more about your negative impact on the server (which is why you were banned). I was hoping that too. I think your appeal is vaguely guided by what Sound was suggesting you need to address, but instead of addressing anything you just turned some jot notes into a very short paragraph.
- Dark's impression that you had essentially used up chances upon being removed from staff is accurate.
- Runek's characterization of what we look for in a ban appeal is correct.
- Kovos hit on many points that should have, or should be, addressed in this appeal.
There is a Staff vote underway as to how we should handle this appeal, and in terms of the appeal itself, the Staff can obviously only take into account only what is written here, so CJ, you might consider... addressing more.
As for both of these (Ako relied right before I finished this so tacked it on too as this applies). Through out this entire posts there are several spots where I ask should I give private information out so until I know if I can give those parts out or not dictates if I can explain parts of the ban.
One thing I would like to ask is that the vote is not open until the above request has been fulfilled as then I can know if i can add the rest.
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The vote has no deadline and votes can be changed at any time as new information arises.
If you have things you want to disclose or appeal to me that you think are sensitive to to public ears, feel free to PM me.
Otherwise, I have to go now and I might reply to the rest of your post a bit later.
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To add on so I can make the appeal a bit more focus I need to know what exactly I am appeal. I have a reply from Akomine and just what I can infer from that as it is mostly general statements, but other then that there is not really specific instances of what I am banned for (I am not saying they don't exist but I don't know what is being considered part and what is not).
Ie why is abuse of power on the ban reason when as far I knew that came down to no action. Or is more of the fact that my reasoning was not clear enough (never explain why I was punished when I brought it up first to ako before anyone else knew)?
("[12/30/2012 11:51:18 PM] Ako: For writing a backdoor into rTriggers and hiding it, and then refusing to give a straight answer about it, or why you hid it." is what I got from ako about that but how is that abuse of powers which is on the ban statement?)
Harassment/Abuse: I assume is referring to my statements to star.
Douche: Covering my actions towards staff?
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Always forget to add something.
I will most likely not be able to give a reply of any significant length for a day or two due to school events this week.
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While I'm sure Ako can better answer why we banned you like we did (without "warning"), it was the direct result of the culmination of your behavior over that month after your demotion in addition to past offenses.
Here's some of the things you might be looking for.
I want to know WHY you have been acting like THIS ever since your demotion:
http://www.villagecraft-server.com/forum/index.php?topic=974.msg9940#msg9940
http://www.villagecraft-server.com/forum/index.php?topic=965.0
http://www.villagecraft-server.com/forum/index.php?topic=963.0
http://www.villagecraft-server.com/forum/index.php?topic=953.0
http://www.villagecraft-server.com/forum/index.php?topic=907.msg9187#msg9187
http://www.villagecraft-server.com/forum/index.php?topic=864.0
http://www.villagecraft-server.com/forum/index.php?topic=863.0
It was worse in-game and on Skype when you did talk (I admit you were quiet most of the time), here's hoping someone has those logs to support my point.
Give me a reason for that behavior. Being uncooperative and passive aggressive while claiming to be looking out for the server? Give me a reason. Even if it's just an honest "I was butthurt from being fired" - at least that would prove there is something other than you just being a douche.
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("[12/30/2012 11:51:18 PM] Ako: For writing a backdoor into rTriggers and hiding it, and then refusing to give a straight answer about it, or why you hid it." is what I got from ako about that but how is that abuse of powers which is on the ban statement?)
You don't know why that would be considered abuse of powers?
Interesting.
So is what you are trying to tell us it that you thought it was okay to give yourself OP as a resigned staff member, without authorization with your secret command you created without permission of the owners and even had to be asked a dozen times to tell them where you hid it and what it was.
Douche: Covering my actions towards staff?
You damn well know you were deemed a douche for plenty of reasons.
You've proven to be in some kind of bubble where you think you never do anything wrong, and even right now you don't fucking get it, or you refuse to. That's probably why we have to tell you over and over again what you did.
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("[12/30/2012 11:51:18 PM] Ako: For writing a backdoor into rTriggers and hiding it, and then refusing to give a straight answer about it, or why you hid it." is what I got from ako about that but how is that abuse of powers which is on the ban statement?)
You don't know why that would be considered abuse of powers?
Interesting.
So is what you are trying to tell us it that you thought it was okay to give yourself OP as a resigned staff member, without authorization with your secret command you created without permission of the owners and even had to be asked a dozen times to tell them where you hid it and what it was.
Douche: Covering my actions towards staff?
You damn well know you were deemed a douche for plenty of reasons.
You've proven to be in some kind of bubble where you think you never do anything wrong, and even right now you don't fucking get it, or you refuse to. That's probably why we have to tell you over and over again what you did.
Aysum I'll get back to you in a bit but I thought this deserved a more direct post.
Lets get this straight Jan I told Ako BEFORE you said anything about it and told him where it was. And from what came out of the thread:
As I accidentally messed up how this verdict was voted on and delivered...
Regardless of it, and just so this is on record, I simply announce that CJ is dismissed from the Staff.
So where was I punished for abusing powers? What I got out of it was that it was because:
[12/30/2012 11:51:18 PM] Ako: For writing a backdoor into rTriggers and hiding it, and then refusing to give a straight answer about it, or why you hid it.
"hiding" it is abuse of powers? Like I said before I told ako about it before you even brought it up. Go look back at one last long post and you will see my explaining how does writing a backdoor equal power abuse when it was that I hid it (so me telling ako makes it still hidden when I gave him the information freely?) not that I had it.
Also saying "You damn well know you were deemed a douche for plenty of reasons." why in the world would I be asking if i knew.... Your definition is not the same as mine or anyone's elses'. The douche rule has always been vague to be over arching, so what was considered douche and what was not and considering how much the server's rules seemed to have laxed and modified recently I really have no idea what is all to be considered. Which makes it rather hard to appeal when I don't know all what I am appeal which is one of the reasons my first post is a bit vague (Aysum that applies to alot of your links but will give a more full reasoning on each latter).
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I went through some of the skype chats and asked around for some of the other ones. Some of these posts may or may not be relevant, so I will just post them all. Take them how you want.
[12/10/2012 7:25:43 PM] *** Moneypenny [Jan] has left ***
[12/10/2012 7:28:49 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: if the bitch ever comes back it also avoid the any issue of having to deal with me having to deal with any staff using tppos to get there
[12/5/2012 3:45:58 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: intersting stuff you can find on the internet http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1477117-turtloidxperience-142-economy/page__st__20#entry18768400
[12/1/2012 7:22:01 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: well if air going to keep the server running ill just be a player
[12/1/2012 7:22:32 PM] Ako: we'll set you as a player for now
[12/1/2012 7:22:52 PM] Ako: and discuss more on that subject later i suppose
[12/1/2012 7:21:26 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: seem rather counterproductive on your whole dont effect the players now
[12/1/2012 7:21:36 PM] Ako: what role do you want to hold?
[12/1/2012 7:22:01 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: well if air going to keep the server running ill just be a player
[12/1/2012 7:22:32 PM] Ako: we'll set you as a player for now
[12/1/2012 7:22:52 PM] Ako: and discuss more on that subject later i suppose
[12/10/2012 7:32:43 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: kovos im not entirly off staff yet
[01/12/2012 12:22:45 AM] Ako: Cj, I know its all fair game and everything at midnight, but for the sake of the tempers of the staff, just offer her the stuff back
[01/12/2012 12:23:13 AM] Ako: you have plenty of cash, so you dont need the pearls
[01/12/2012 12:23:21 AM] Ako: just do it as a kindness
[01/12/2012 12:23:28 AM] Ako: a peace offering
[01/12/2012 12:23:31 AM] CJ Miller: thats what im saying i dont think its the items she bitching about
[01/12/2012 12:23:42 AM] Ako: its not
[01/12/2012 12:23:51 AM] Ako: its the fact that you pounced on her i think
[01/12/2012 12:24:01 AM] CJ Miller: i even told her it was digs
[01/12/2012 12:24:05 AM] CJ Miller: and thats why i chose it first
[01/12/2012 12:24:24 AM] Ako: well, she's not happy
[01/12/2012 12:25:00 AM] Ako: and I don't really want staff to be bitter to one another
[01/12/2012 12:25:12 AM] Ako: so please, man, just offer peace somehow
[01/12/2012 12:25:41 AM] Ako: if you know what I mean
[01/12/2012 12:52:25 AM] Ako: ok well
[01/12/2012 12:53:25 AM] Ako: looks like its time to start enforcing the admins cant be players philosophy
[01/12/2012 1:13:09 AM] CJ Miller: then ill no longer be an admin
[01/12/2012 1:14:36 AM] Ako: It might have to be that way, since it stirs up too much from people otherwise
[01/12/2012 1:14:53 AM] CJ Miller: from people that usally end up getting banned anything for breaking rules
[01/12/2012 1:15:27 AM] Ako: and the staff, as you can see, do not want to have other staff playing like that
[01/12/2012 1:16:11 AM] Ako: I really don't want to have conflicts
[01/12/2012 1:16:21 AM] Ako: but this kind of play is causeing them
[01/12/2012 12:22:45 AM] Ako: Cj, I know its all fair game and everything at midnight, but for the sake of the tempers of the staff, just offer her the stuff back
[01/12/2012 12:23:13 AM] Ako: you have plenty of cash, so you dont need the pearls
[01/12/2012 12:23:21 AM] Ako: just do it as a kindness
[01/12/2012 12:23:28 AM] Ako: a peace offering
[01/12/2012 12:23:31 AM] CJ Miller: thats what im saying i dont think its the items she bitching about
[01/12/2012 12:23:42 AM] Ako: its not
[01/12/2012 12:23:51 AM] Ako: its the fact that you pounced on her i think
[01/12/2012 12:24:01 AM] CJ Miller: i even told her it was digs
[01/12/2012 12:24:05 AM] CJ Miller: and thats why i chose it first
[01/12/2012 12:24:24 AM] Ako: well, she's not happy
[01/12/2012 12:25:00 AM] Ako: and I don't really want staff to be bitter to one another
[01/12/2012 12:25:12 AM] Ako: so please, man, just offer peace somehow
[01/12/2012 12:25:41 AM] Ako: if you know what I mean
[01/12/2012 12:52:25 AM] Ako: ok well
[01/12/2012 12:53:25 AM] Ako: looks like its time to start enforcing the admins cant be players philosophy
[01/12/2012 1:13:09 AM] CJ Miller: then ill no longer be an admin
[01/12/2012 1:14:36 AM] Ako: It might have to be that way, since it stirs up too much from people otherwise
[01/12/2012 1:14:53 AM] CJ Miller: from people that usally end up getting banned anything for breaking rules
[01/12/2012 1:15:27 AM] Ako: and the staff, as you can see, do not want to have other staff playing like that
[01/12/2012 1:16:11 AM] Ako: I really don't want to have conflicts
[01/12/2012 1:16:21 AM] Ako: but this kind of play is causeing them
[12/9/2012 4:38:51 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: 18. PRs may, if they choose, suggest a punishment or course of action to the Staff on any particular case once it has been investigated.
PR can make a sugestion of course of action, but it is still up to the staff.
[12/9/2012 4:40:05 PM] Kovos Datch: Which is usually carried out by the staff as the PRs are levelheaded and unbiased
[12/9/2012 4:40:33 PM] Moneypenny [Jan]: Oh my hell now he's bringing it into Skype
[12/9/2012 4:40:53 PM] Runek: So.. Much mud slinging.. It's EVERYWHERE.
[12/9/2012 4:40:57 PM] Runek: It's in my racoon wounds..
[12/9/2012 4:41:01 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: Well jan you of all people should understand
[12/9/2012 4:41:13 PM] Moneypenny [Jan]: Couldn't you say this in the staff chat you're still in?
[12/9/2012 4:41:48 PM] Kovos Datch: He would, but he is trying to defame me
[12/9/2012 4:42:25 PM] Kovos Datch: You can stop trying to defame me, Cj. I do enough of that on my own, thanks
[12/9/2012 4:42:31 PM] Runek: ^
[12/9/2012 4:42:40 PM] Moneypenny [Jan]: Wait CJ, seriously though, why didn't you just use the staff chat?
[12/9/2012 4:42:45 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: I did
[12/9/2012 4:42:56 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: I told rune first
[12/9/2012 4:42:59 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: he said take it to the forums
[12/9/2012 4:43:02 PM] Moneypenny [Jan]: Then why are you bringing it here?
[12/9/2012 4:43:04 PM] Runek: I did.
[12/9/2012 4:43:15 PM] Runek: I stand by the decision I made.
[12/9/2012 4:43:20 PM] Kovos Datch: You brought it to the forums. Ako is soon to review it
[12/9/2012 4:43:28 PM] Kovos Datch: Why bring it to skype?
[12/9/2012 4:43:28 PM] Runek: CJ is welcome to report something he feels strongly on.
[12/9/2012 4:46:39 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: and then kovos is going to lock it if I post again
[12/9/2012 4:46:49 PM] Moneypenny [Jan]: Is your new one locked?
[12/9/2012 4:46:49 PM] Kovos Datch: Because the drama needs to stop
[12/9/2012 4:46:54 PM] Kovos Datch: You both made your cases
[12/9/2012 4:46:58 PM] Kovos Datch: It's done
[12/9/2012 4:47:03 PM] Kovos Datch: The owners will review it now
[12/9/2012 4:47:18 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: Well anyways I was there when we had the vote on if we should allow it or not
[12/9/2012 4:47:23 PM] Runek: Problem solved! Let's all sing a Christmas Carol.
[12/9/2012 4:47:24 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: so its not as much feel as know
[12/9/2012 4:49:00 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: the point is aysun there was no "I feel its wrong" I know it is wrong
[12/9/2012 5:02:09 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: na star just breaks up with her boyfriend and then is over at kovos's room all the time
[12/9/2012 5:02:23 PM] Aysun: Yes, but when someone asks you not to do something, it's nice to not do it. And when you ignore it, you should probaby expect to get shit in return.
[12/9/2012 5:02:25 PM] Kovos Datch: For the record, she was over at my room when she was with her bf
[12/9/2012 5:02:27 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): Yeah probably because he's my best friend and he's keeping me mentally sane.
[12/9/2012 5:02:52 PM] Aysun: Star and Kovos have both asked nicely not to be called that.
[12/10/2012 6:48:29 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: pre-calc book?
[12/10/2012 6:48:33 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: arnt you in college
[12/10/2012 6:48:47 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): Yeah I had to re-take pre-calc because I hadn't taken it in 3 years
[12/10/2012 6:49:13 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: ya most dont take precalc at all just go to calc one
[12/10/2012 6:49:31 PM] Aysun: cuz yea pre-calc is so something that you have to take CJ.. I'm a senior graduating in may with a BS and have never had to touch calc.
[12/10/2012 6:49:35 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): My school sucks. I've been writing since I was in 5th grade and I had to take remedial english
[12/10/2012 6:50:07 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: well aysun if your going to take calc you skip precalc or you dont take any at all
[12/10/2012 6:50:41 PM] Aysun: My point is I'm not and that you shouldn't make stupid assumptions about people's place in education because of where they are in calc.
[12/10/2012 6:51:01 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): CJ's full of assumptions, I don't let him bother me.
[12/10/2012 6:51:59 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: meh i just go with the most likely and for most things it works, if your off that then there are a few other things you be off on to
[12/13/2012 6:55:26 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: yep you all made a choice with no power
[12/13/2012 6:55:29 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: the only one that has any is ako
[12/10/2012 8:09:22 PM] Ako: so, CJ did indeed create a backdoor without my consent
[12/10/2012 8:09:41 PM] Ako: the secret command he made and used he hid in a plugin
[12/10/2012 8:09:46 PM] Kovos Datch: Seriously?
[12/10/2012 8:09:48 PM] Ako: he hinted at it to air and i
[12/10/2012 8:09:52 PM] Ako: and we found it
[12/10/2012 8:10:06 PM] Ako: hidden between other command lines of code
[12/10/2012 8:10:24 PM] Ako: i asked him when he made it and he claims to not remember
[12/10/2012 8:10:38 PM] Ako: I asked why he hid it twice deep within the code I wrote
[12/10/2012 8:10:43 PM] Ako: he wouldnt answer really
[12/29/2012 3:32:06 PM] Kovos Datch: Cj just told star "Star do you know how to lose some weight" so I muted him
[12/29/2012 3:32:20 PM] Kovos Datch: I am tell everyone publicly
[12/29/2012 3:32:38 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: clap clap calp
[12/29/2012 3:32:47 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: misusing your mute ability
[12/29/2012 3:32:51 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: i was not spaming
[12/29/2012 3:32:56 PM] Kovos Datch: flaming
[12/29/2012 3:33:11 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: flaming now is it?
[12/29/2012 3:33:18 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: lol kovos you need to learn
[12/29/2012 3:34:21 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): It's being a fucking douche
[12/29/2012 3:34:47 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: well you made yourself public on the internet have to be confertible with yourself
[12/29/2012 3:34:53 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): *comfortable
[12/29/2012 3:35:11 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): So your response is to try to tear me down?
[12/29/2012 3:35:15 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): Do you even fucking have a life?
[12/29/2012 3:35:31 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: [Saturday, December 29, 2012 3:35 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar):
<<< So your response is to try to tear me down?same said to you
[12/29/2012 3:35:49 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): All I told you was to shut up. You started it by attacking Kovos publicly
[12/29/2012 3:36:01 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): He did what he thought was right and your response to ask if he knows how to do something like he's stupid.
[12/29/2012 3:37:15 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: well does he
[12/29/2012 3:38:36 PM] Kovos Datch: No, I am an effing retard spawned in the lowest pits of mordor
[12/29/2012 3:39:20 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: well via your actions have to agree with your sarcastic statement
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("[12/30/2012 11:51:18 PM] Ako: For writing a backdoor into rTriggers and hiding it, and then refusing to give a straight answer about it, or why you hid it." is what I got from ako about that but how is that abuse of powers which is on the ban statement?)
You don't know why that would be considered abuse of powers?
Interesting.
So is what you are trying to tell us it that you thought it was okay to give yourself OP as a resigned staff member, without authorization with your secret command you created without permission of the owners and even had to be asked a dozen times to tell them where you hid it and what it was.
Douche: Covering my actions towards staff?
You damn well know you were deemed a douche for plenty of reasons.
You've proven to be in some kind of bubble where you think you never do anything wrong, and even right now you don't fucking get it, or you refuse to. That's probably why we have to tell you over and over again what you did.
Aysum I'll get back to you in a bit but I thought this deserved a more direct post.
Lets get this straight Jan I told Ako BEFORE you said anything about it and told him where it was. And from what came out of the thread:
As I accidentally messed up how this verdict was voted on and delivered...
Regardless of it, and just so this is on record, I simply announce that CJ is dismissed from the Staff.
So where was I punished for abusing powers? What I got out of it was that it was because:
[12/30/2012 11:51:18 PM] Ako: For writing a backdoor into rTriggers and hiding it, and then refusing to give a straight answer about it, or why you hid it.
"hiding" it is abuse of powers? Like I said before I told ako about it before you even brought it up. Go look back at one last long post and you will see my explaining how does writing a backdoor equal power abuse when it was that I hid it (so me telling ako makes it still hidden when I gave him the information freely?) not that I had it.
Also saying "You damn well know you were deemed a douche for plenty of reasons." why in the world would I be asking if i knew.... Your definition is not the same as mine or anyone's elses'. The douche rule has always been vague to be over arching, so what was considered douche and what was not and considering how much the server's rules seemed to have laxed and modified recently I really have no idea what is all to be considered. Which makes it rather hard to appeal when I don't know all what I am appeal which is one of the reasons my first post is a bit vague (Aysum that applies to alot of your links but will give a more full reasoning on each latter).
Ako: For greater clarity: CJ was not authorized by anyone to use a hidden OP command (that only he knew about, and that he created) while he was a regular non-Staff player.
Ako: i had to ask him dozens of questions over a series of days to understand it enough to ask him which COMMAND to type in to use this secret op thing
You clearly are missing the point. Let me try one last time and please actually try to follow.
I said you had to be ASKED for a SECRET OP COMMAND THAT YOU CREATED WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE OWNERS OF THE SERVER, AND YOU WOULDN'T TELL THEM WHAT IT WAS.
You were RESIGNED and only a PLAYER and you used that SECRET OP COMMAND OF YOURS WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION.
Do you understand now? You had NO RIGHT TO USE THAT COMMAND.
THAT MEANS YOU ABUSED POWERS YOU WEREN'T EVEN SUPPOSED TO FUCKING HAVE.
EDIT: You don't know why someone would say you're a douche? The posts you've made on the forums, the Skype chats, not to mention I already told you that you're a condescending asshole to players and staff. You've already been told many times why you are a douche. learn to read
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I want to know WHY you have been acting like THIS ever since your demotion:
I was not demoted. I resigned, then was pretty much made permanent I would never be on staff again. The difference on that being is that I left willingly by my own decision.
http://www.villagecraft-server.com/forum/index.php?topic=974.msg9940#msg9940
http://www.villagecraft-server.com/forum/index.php?topic=965.0
http://www.villagecraft-server.com/forum/index.php?topic=963.0
http://www.villagecraft-server.com/forum/index.php?topic=953.0
http://www.villagecraft-server.com/forum/index.php?topic=907.msg9187#msg9187
http://www.villagecraft-server.com/forum/index.php?topic=864.0
http://www.villagecraft-server.com/forum/index.php?topic=863.0
Threads:
Runek giving away info he could only get as a mod. (Started by Knite)
Continued Rune giving information. (Started by cjm721)
Normal Player with Color nick and "Acting_Mod" Title. (Started by cjm721)
Again: Player with color nick. (Started by cjm721)
First thread on both of those are simple I saw a staff member break a "guideline". Then having kovos lock it when discussion was clearly not over (mention this is in a previous post).
(Normal Player with Color nick and "Acting_Mod" Title)
Then specifically notice how the reason for the lock is that rune "explained" himself when I was saying that what he did was against staff guidelines and the topic is locked before any admin speaks.
Then when Akomine gives his statement (on the new thread) notice what it says
I'd say Rune should have asked, but if none of us were around then I guess more-or-less harmless initiative took over.
Verdict:
What may have appeared to be a misuse of nicknames was just a temporary visual signal on her name to let everyone know she would relay messages to a Staff member. This is reasonable. Runek and Star are pardoned. We'll talk about how to go about this in the future.
Notice the "are pardoned" you don't get pardoned if nothing was wrong. Also "Rune should have asked" I was still in skype staff chat of which several other staff members where marked at online and he did not even post in it. Not to mention by the time I came on global was not hectic at all so why she even still have it.
Dom & Zavier breaking no PVP rule (Started by xxbabygirlstar)
So I'm not on staff does that mean I don't know how the server works or what abilities the staff members have access to? You can say he did what he needed to, but no means was it the most efficient or effective. Also how would you like being punished for someone else's actions when the person punishing knew that you did not do what he was punishing for?
wus muted 4 no reeson. (Started by Nediac)
Airborne101st45: "By the way, even though this was the most retarded thread I have ever seen, this board has special rules and they will be enforced. The only one following them was CJ."
Don't get what you want me to explain about that thread besides that I am willing to call staff members out when I notice she gave no info and then.
And to add onto that:
JANUARYJONES:
"Obviously this thread isn't even serious, Nediac said he isn't. I think you just like to jump on every thread to attack staff because you are still buttmad. Give it a rest." So I attack staff because I am "buttmad"? Asking her to give the real info is an attack, and also if she knew it was not serious should of stated that in the first place instead of letting the thread go on.
"omg u dun hav 2 sit on da forums all day ya no." what place does that have in someone else's appeal?
Moderating Caps (Started by xxbabygirlstar)
If person was using all caps I ask them to turn caps lock off and so would other staff members, but by star's own post he saying it is not meant the staff no longer was which is different then it had been two weeks prior.
Now I don't know how many of you know this but I was the oldest (VC wise) player and staff (discounting air/owners) I had been there for when rules where set up, changed, and decisions/changes on how the server would be ran, for most of that I was in the discussion (ie not just seeing the changes) and for some of it I was the head of the discussion and alot of rules/staff guidlines where changed because of my input. So of all players on the server I know the rules better then anyone and how it has been ruled in the past.
Such as when I first started building Atlantis staff members where allowed to give other players colored nicks, but that changed and staff was only allowed to change nicks if it broke one of the rules or if the player requested it (and only give them what they be able to give themselves).
One of the main staff guidelines I seen broken time and time again since I left is using staff only commands to help player / hurt non rule breaking ones, and using staff only commands for personal gain. That has never been allowed yet soon as I step down I start seeing more and more of it.
Now before when I was on staff I went to the staff member that broke our rule and talked to them directly, if they listened and seemed to shape up it ended there (no threads/not telling anyone else), now if they did not listen I went to Akomine which I only had to for two people Digdug (who was removed from staff) and JANUARYJONES. Since I left staff noone on staff gave a shit about if I talked to them privately just said post it on the forums so I did.
The way things are handled do change, but not overnight
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Repeating the same thing over and over again does not change the meaning or make it true. I told Ako and showed Ako before you brought it up in the other thread so how is that hiding it? Yes it was hidden in rTriggers, but I was also the one that reviled it willingly without being asked. It was also set up before I was resigned. I showed Ako afternoon of the 5th then:
[12/6/2012 4:57:27 PM] Airborne101st45: Can you paste me the cclogger time and date so I can find it
[12/6/2012 4:57:32 PM] Airborne101st45: Im looking at the log now
[12/6/2012 4:57:41 PM] CJ Miller: ya give me a minute in class
[12/6/2012 4:57:45 PM] CJ Miller: well
[12/6/2012 4:57:49 PM] CJ Miller: just search _________
[12/6/2012 4:59:41 PM] Airborne101st45: And which plugin is it associated with
[12/6/2012 5:00:24 PM] CJ Miller: rtriggers
So one day is several? Air asked me once and I gave it to him. So now I have to ask why is there false information going around.
Now that command was there because I do not trust the current staff with being able to handle running the server, which as the time progressed everyone noticed a derogation of the server's performance and reliability. Now lets see what I did with op, I fixed a region in Atlantis and gave myself fly for a minute because I was checking something odd out around one of my villages. How harmful was that? Did I screw up the server? No, negligence did that.
EDIT: You don't know why someone would say you're a douche? The posts you've made on the forums, the Skype chats, not to mention I already told you that you're a condescending asshole to players and staff. You've already been told many times why you are a douche. learn to read
So respond to a question by being a condescending asshole.
Now kovos you always seem to take quotes out of context so lets give the backstory (kovos's time is one hour ahead of mine).
[12/10/2012 7:25:43 PM] *** Moneypenny [Jan] has left ***
[12/10/2012 7:28:49 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: if the bitch ever comes back it also avoid the any issue of having to deal with me having to deal with any staff using tppos to get there
Jan gave the location of my enderman farm away after obtaining the info through a tpo and then griefing it when the rules that allowed griefing had been suspended. Then she gave the info to kovos, but kovos also had access to the location through CcLogger server logs which show the location of all commands. Kovos then tells catty the location of my spawner. Now looking back at the other thread one one the reasons Kovos tried to have me banned was for griefing which in the end turned out to be false (and he was also the prime witness for me not griefing it as if you go look at the post that said the new rules he states that he was there after the time he claims I griefed it, yet never mentions seeing it griefed just that the logblock records where gone). Now kovos and I where the ones discussing it in the skype staff chat then Jan chimes in with:
[12/10/2012 6:25:28 PM] Moneypenny: Oh and I guess when you were Admin, that using your powers to move your spawner away before December 1st is VERY player like lol
Very unprofessional isn't it? I had already explained the reason I moved it which was because no players had been to my spawner and only staff members I had allowed to teleport there were to see what one was, so I moved it in a circle around the center island a few degrees to avoid any issue of having to deal with staff members using staff only knowledge to get there. Ie removing the temptation/ability removes the potential problem, but no she is pissed that I destroyed a "her" spawner which was built by digdug68 and when he left she just took it over. I had the coordinates of every spawner from about the time they where made as people liked to use my pathways I had built around the island to make their own then destroy part of the path, which is very obvious something is there.
[12/5/2012 3:45:58 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: intersting stuff you can find on the internet http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1477117-turtloidxperience-142-economy/page__st__20#entry18768400
So you post the same quote twice now? You will get the same responce:
Quite frankly, I think Cj is constantly searching for more power. Many of the actions we are currently keeping private can be explained by this “power complex”. He targeted me because I have the ability to mediate. He wanted direct access to his opponent, and he cannot do so when someone is reffing. He has attempted to defame me multiple times, such as:
[12/5/2012 3:45:58 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: intersting stuff you can find on the internet http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1477117-turtloidxperience-142-economy/page__st__20#entry18768400 (http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1477117-turtloidxperience-142-economy/page__st__20#entry18768400)
He also tried to verbally fight me in the citizens skype channel. After defending myself and having a little bit of fun, Cay decides to kick me from the chat because I poke fun at Cj and her (this was after they poked fun at Star and I). In order to "defend" myself, I quoted Aysun's humorous comment. I left the group when Cay muted me for no real reason (as I saw no real point to continue to listen to Cj without having the ability to respond); he swiftly took the conversation to the general chat on the server to continue the harassment. He had a power complex, and quite frankly, was sucking all the fun out of this game (and server) for the staff and players alike.
Well from what you took from skype lets extend and give some context of your response and my response to your response.
[12/5/2012 6:04:04 PM] Kovos Datch: Indeed. I took a break from VC for a while to play on Rainy's Tekkit server. I thought it would be a trip seeing how "good" his server was. I never played Tekkit before, and I thought Rainy's server was a quick way to learn. It was until the same old crap started happening. I left because the staff was foolish.
[12/5/2012 6:06:15 PM] Kovos Datch: If you are trying to defame me in some way, you will have to do better than that as I did the right thing and got out of "Dodge". As you can see, I only stayed on for about 6 days because it was that bad. It's no secret I was on the server.
[12/5/2012 6:08:17 PM] Kovos Datch: In fact, I find it interesting you would bring this up at this point in time. Seems like mudslinging to me. Unlike others, I choose to stand by my mistakes. I am not perfect and do not claim to be. Those people learn nothing in their lifetimes. I chose to learn from mine to become a better person.
[12/5/2012 6:38:59 PM] CJ Miller: wow kovos was just looking at our forum post on minecraftforums and found it.
[12/5/2012 6:40:01 PM] Kovos Datch: And why bring it up at this time.... or even at all? It makes no sense that you would even bring it up. Ako already knows alll this
[12/5/2012 6:40:04 PM] CJ Miller: if you want me to remove it I will.
[12/5/2012 6:40:24 PM] Kovos Datch: I don't really care. I gave my explaination.
[12/5/2012 6:40:32 PM] CJ Miller: then why do you care about it
[12/5/2012 6:40:54 PM] Kovos Datch: [Wednesday, December 05, 2012 6:40 PM] Kovos Datch:
<<< I don't really care. I gave my explaination.
[12/5/2012 6:41:06 PM] Kovos Datch: Key words: I don't really care.
[12/5/2012 6:41:07 PM | Edited by Cayrat, 10:08:06 PM] CJ Miller: [Wednesday, December 05, 2012 6:04 PM] Kovos Datch:
<<< Indeed. I took a break from VC for a while to play on Rainy's Tekkit server. I thought it would be a trip seeing how "good" his server was. I never played Tekkit before, and I thought Rainy's server was a quick way to learn. It was until the same old crap started happening. I left because the staff was foolish.
If you are trying to defame me in some way, you will have to do better than that as I did the right thing and got out of "Dodge". As you can see, I only stayed on for about 6 days because it was that bad. It's no secret I was on the server.
In fact, I find it interesting you would bring this up at this point in time. Seems like mudslinging to me. Unlike others, I choose to stand by my mistakes. I am not perfect and do not claim to be. Those people learn nothing in their lifetimes. I chose to learn from mine to become a better person. is not caring?
[12/5/2012 6:41:51 PM] Kovos Datch: Oh no, I gave my explaination.... I believe that is fair game. I don't care if you keep it or delete it
[12/5/2012 6:42:08 PM] Kovos Datch: You are confusing what I am apathetical about
And to emphasize a line "[12/5/2012 6:40:04 PM] CJ Miller: if you want me to remove it I will." and this your response kovos was that you did not care either way and the only other person who showed they were there was cayrat so she would of been the only other person to see it before I would of removed it.
Also the point of that message was more to show that rainy was having trouble keeping staff then that you where on it. You even said yourself it was no secret that you where playing on his server.
[12/1/2012 7:22:01 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: well if air going to keep the server running ill just be a player
[12/1/2012 7:22:32 PM] Ako: we'll set you as a player for now
[12/1/2012 7:22:52 PM] Ako: and discuss more on that subject later i suppose
[12/1/2012 7:21:26 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: seem rather counterproductive on your whole dont effect the players now
[12/1/2012 7:21:36 PM] Ako: what role do you want to hold?
[12/1/2012 7:22:01 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: well if air going to keep the server running ill just be a player
[12/1/2012 7:22:32 PM] Ako: we'll set you as a player for now
[12/1/2012 7:22:52 PM] Ako: and discuss more on that subject later i suppose
[12/10/2012 7:32:43 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: kovos im not entirly off staff yet
First why you link the same conversation twice? Second you could split that second one as you combined two conversations from very different dates.
I really have no idea why you linked that section of posts anyways. Akomine says I will get to be a player and we will work on the details later. Then you pull a quote from a conversation 9 days later that is me saying I am not entirety off staff yet. I think your forgetting that I was the one running the server for three months making sure everything ran smooth. Air had not done much of any work on the server in a few month and you would want me to drop everything into his hands when it is much different then when he handed it to me? Kovos I hope you realize running a server is not just dropping a few jar files in a plugins folder there is alot more going on behind the scenes.
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[01/12/2012 12:22:45 AM] Ako: Cj, I know its all fair game and everything at midnight, but for the sake of the tempers of the staff, just offer her the stuff back
[01/12/2012 12:23:13 AM] Ako: you have plenty of cash, so you dont need the pearls
[01/12/2012 12:23:21 AM] Ako: just do it as a kindness
[01/12/2012 12:23:28 AM] Ako: a peace offering
[01/12/2012 12:23:31 AM] CJ Miller: thats what im saying i dont think its the items she bitching about
[01/12/2012 12:23:42 AM] Ako: its not
[01/12/2012 12:23:51 AM] Ako: its the fact that you pounced on her i think
[01/12/2012 12:24:01 AM] CJ Miller: i even told her it was digs
[01/12/2012 12:24:05 AM] CJ Miller: and thats why i chose it first
[01/12/2012 12:24:24 AM] Ako: well, she's not happy
[01/12/2012 12:25:00 AM] Ako: and I don't really want staff to be bitter to one another
[01/12/2012 12:25:12 AM] Ako: so please, man, just offer peace somehow
[01/12/2012 12:25:41 AM] Ako: if you know what I mean
[01/12/2012 12:52:25 AM] Ako: ok well
[01/12/2012 12:53:25 AM] Ako: looks like its time to start enforcing the admins cant be players philosophy
[01/12/2012 1:13:09 AM] CJ Miller: then ill no longer be an admin
[01/12/2012 1:14:36 AM] Ako: It might have to be that way, since it stirs up too much from people otherwise
[01/12/2012 1:14:53 AM] CJ Miller: from people that usally end up getting banned anything for breaking rules
[01/12/2012 1:15:27 AM] Ako: and the staff, as you can see, do not want to have other staff playing like that
[01/12/2012 1:16:11 AM] Ako: I really don't want to have conflicts
[01/12/2012 1:16:21 AM] Ako: but this kind of play is causeing them
[01/12/2012 12:22:45 AM] Ako: Cj, I know its all fair game and everything at midnight, but for the sake of the tempers of the staff, just offer her the stuff back
[01/12/2012 12:23:13 AM] Ako: you have plenty of cash, so you dont need the pearls
[01/12/2012 12:23:21 AM] Ako: just do it as a kindness
[01/12/2012 12:23:28 AM] Ako: a peace offering
[01/12/2012 12:23:31 AM] CJ Miller: thats what im saying i dont think its the items she bitching about
[01/12/2012 12:23:42 AM] Ako: its not
[01/12/2012 12:23:51 AM] Ako: its the fact that you pounced on her i think
[01/12/2012 12:24:01 AM] CJ Miller: i even told her it was digs
[01/12/2012 12:24:05 AM] CJ Miller: and thats why i chose it first
[01/12/2012 12:24:24 AM] Ako: well, she's not happy
[01/12/2012 12:25:00 AM] Ako: and I don't really want staff to be bitter to one another
[01/12/2012 12:25:12 AM] Ako: so please, man, just offer peace somehow
[01/12/2012 12:25:41 AM] Ako: if you know what I mean
[01/12/2012 12:52:25 AM] Ako: ok well
[01/12/2012 12:53:25 AM] Ako: looks like its time to start enforcing the admins cant be players philosophy
[01/12/2012 1:13:09 AM] CJ Miller: then ill no longer be an admin
[01/12/2012 1:14:36 AM] Ako: It might have to be that way, since it stirs up too much from people otherwise
[01/12/2012 1:14:53 AM] CJ Miller: from people that usally end up getting banned anything for breaking rules
[01/12/2012 1:15:27 AM] Ako: and the staff, as you can see, do not want to have other staff playing like that
[01/12/2012 1:16:11 AM] Ako: I really don't want to have conflicts
[01/12/2012 1:16:21 AM] Ako: but this kind of play is causeing them
Double quote again? Anyways if you want to know I offered jan the stuff in the chests back and know what her response was?
[11/30/2012 11:25:50 PM] CJ Miller: jan if you want the stuff in the chests back you can have it.
[11/30/2012 11:26:10 PM] Moneypenny: Fuck you
[11/30/2012 11:27:04 PM] Moneypenny: You are a fucking admin
[11/30/2012 11:27:09 PM] Moneypenny: Why do you do shit like this
And before that she said:
[11/30/2012 11:17:21 PM] Moneypenny: I can't just tp there
[11/30/2012 11:17:33 PM] Moneypenny: I dont know where it is and I'd rather not stoop to such faggotry
Yet she ends up tping there and griefing it, and that is when the rules where suspended mind you. But hey this is my ban appeal so why we talking about jan, besides that I offered her the contents of her chests back and she spits it back in my face.
[12/9/2012 4:38:51 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: 18. PRs may, if they choose, suggest a punishment or course of action to the Staff on any particular case once it has been investigated.
PR can make a sugestion of course of action, but it is still up to the staff.
[12/9/2012 4:40:05 PM] Kovos Datch: Which is usually carried out by the staff as the PRs are levelheaded and unbiased
[12/9/2012 4:40:33 PM] Moneypenny [Jan]: Oh my hell now he's bringing it into Skype
[12/9/2012 4:40:53 PM] Runek: So.. Much mud slinging.. It's EVERYWHERE.
[12/9/2012 4:40:57 PM] Runek: It's in my racoon wounds..
[12/9/2012 4:41:01 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: Well jan you of all people should understand
[12/9/2012 4:41:13 PM] Moneypenny [Jan]: Couldn't you say this in the staff chat you're still in?
[12/9/2012 4:41:48 PM] Kovos Datch: He would, but he is trying to defame me
[12/9/2012 4:42:25 PM] Kovos Datch: You can stop trying to defame me, Cj. I do enough of that on my own, thanks
[12/9/2012 4:42:31 PM] Runek: ^
[12/9/2012 4:42:40 PM] Moneypenny [Jan]: Wait CJ, seriously though, why didn't you just use the staff chat?
[12/9/2012 4:42:45 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: I did
[12/9/2012 4:42:56 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: I told rune first
[12/9/2012 4:42:59 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: he said take it to the forums
[12/9/2012 4:43:02 PM] Moneypenny [Jan]: Then why are you bringing it here?
[12/9/2012 4:43:04 PM] Runek: I did.
[12/9/2012 4:43:15 PM] Runek: I stand by the decision I made.
[12/9/2012 4:43:20 PM] Kovos Datch: You brought it to the forums. Ako is soon to review it
[12/9/2012 4:43:28 PM] Kovos Datch: Why bring it to skype?
[12/9/2012 4:43:28 PM] Runek: CJ is welcome to report something he feels strongly on.
[12/9/2012 4:46:39 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: and then kovos is going to lock it if I post again
[12/9/2012 4:46:49 PM] Moneypenny [Jan]: Is your new one locked?
[12/9/2012 4:46:49 PM] Kovos Datch: Because the drama needs to stop
[12/9/2012 4:46:54 PM] Kovos Datch: You both made your cases
[12/9/2012 4:46:58 PM] Kovos Datch: It's done
[12/9/2012 4:47:03 PM] Kovos Datch: The owners will review it now
[12/9/2012 4:47:18 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: Well anyways I was there when we had the vote on if we should allow it or not
[12/9/2012 4:47:23 PM] Runek: Problem solved! Let's all sing a Christmas Carol.
[12/9/2012 4:47:24 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: so its not as much feel as know
[12/9/2012 4:49:00 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: the point is aysun there was no "I feel its wrong" I know it is wrong
So this one goes right back to another post I made on this thread.
[12/9/2012 4:47:18 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: Well anyways I was there when we had the vote on if we should allow it or not
And second on this one notice how once again I followed the instructions of a staff member and get blasted for doing so. Also notice how kovos locks a thread so the "owners will review it" how many other threads has he done that on? Lock the thread so that noone can post and it may be reviewed, only happened twice from what I remember and once it was after a long discussion and then a gap of posts while the other was short and no discussion with that one being mine.
Kovos I like how many action that puts you in a negative life is defaming you, point of perspective I guess I see someone not holding to what they agree to I call them out and they bite back with insults instead of counter proof.
[12/9/2012 5:02:09 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: na star just breaks up with her boyfriend and then is over at kovos's room all the time
[12/9/2012 5:02:23 PM] Aysun: Yes, but when someone asks you not to do something, it's nice to not do it. And when you ignore it, you should probaby expect to get shit in return.
[12/9/2012 5:02:25 PM] Kovos Datch: For the record, she was over at my room when she was with her bf
[12/9/2012 5:02:27 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): Yeah probably because he's my best friend and he's keeping me mentally sane.
[12/9/2012 5:02:52 PM] Aysun: Star and Kovos have both asked nicely not to be called that.
How many times recently have you called each other boyfriend and girlfriend on the server now? To many to count. I just noticed early. As for not doing what she (Star) asked, she could of /ignored me which seems to be the general response on the forums now if you don't get along with someone.
[12/10/2012 6:48:29 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: pre-calc book?
[12/10/2012 6:48:33 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: arnt you in college
[12/10/2012 6:48:47 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): Yeah I had to re-take pre-calc because I hadn't taken it in 3 years
[12/10/2012 6:49:13 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: ya most dont take precalc at all just go to calc one
[12/10/2012 6:49:31 PM] Aysun: cuz yea pre-calc is so something that you have to take CJ.. I'm a senior graduating in may with a BS and have never had to touch calc.
[12/10/2012 6:49:35 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): My school sucks. I've been writing since I was in 5th grade and I had to take remedial english
[12/10/2012 6:50:07 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: well aysun if your going to take calc you skip precalc or you dont take any at all
[12/10/2012 6:50:41 PM] Aysun: My point is I'm not and that you shouldn't make stupid assumptions about people's place in education because of where they are in calc.
[12/10/2012 6:51:01 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): CJ's full of assumptions, I don't let him bother me.
[12/10/2012 6:51:59 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: meh i just go with the most likely and for most things it works, if your off that then there are a few other things you be off on to
Guess this is the irrelevant quote. But lets go into more detail shall we. I voice my opinion and I get bashed where my opinion is based on reports for the ACT, DoE, and being a college student. Also notice Aysun's statement does not counter mine they both say the same thing. If you touch calculus you go all the way through or you don't touch it at all.
[12/13/2012 6:55:26 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: yep you all made a choice with no power
[12/13/2012 6:55:29 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: the only one that has any is ako
Which is referring to the statement in the case about me where you posted the results of a poll where that pull was asking for opinions and was not for the determination of my punishment. Yet you (kovos) treated it as if it was the final decision when Ako said himself he was looking for opinions through it. In which his responce was:
As I accidentally messed up how this verdict was voted on and delivered...
Regardless of it, and just so this is on record, I simply announce that CJ is dismissed from the Staff.
And not:
A vote was finally cast after much thought and debate. We can finally close this case.
Preface to verdict:
The following verdict in no way dismisses the help cjm721 has given VillageCraft over the previous months. The help is appreciated fully. As always, this verdict may be appealed.
The verdict:
Based upon cjm721's conduct as a staff member, the unsatisfactory behaviour with sensitive server content without the consent of the owners' backs, and the evidence that there were cases where cjm721 used staff privileges to an unfair advantage while playing as a "player", the staff finds cjm721 guilty.
The punishment will full removal from staff in all aspects.
Which in itself is rather interesting. What staff privilege did I use my unfair advantage? Having op does not instantly make me unkillable and unlimited cash, it just gives me access to those commands of which I did not use (I reference this in a previous post also so no need to quote).
[12/10/2012 8:09:22 PM] Ako: so, CJ did indeed create a backdoor without my consent
[12/10/2012 8:09:41 PM] Ako: the secret command he made and used he hid in a plugin
[12/10/2012 8:09:46 PM] Kovos Datch: Seriously?
[12/10/2012 8:09:48 PM] Ako: he hinted at it to air and i
[12/10/2012 8:09:52 PM] Ako: and we found it
[12/10/2012 8:10:06 PM] Ako: hidden between other command lines of code
[12/10/2012 8:10:24 PM] Ako: i asked him when he made it and he claims to not remember
[12/10/2012 8:10:38 PM] Ako: I asked why he hid it twice deep within the code I wrote
[12/10/2012 8:10:43 PM] Ako: he wouldnt answer really
So which part of this am I suppose to be appealing/apologizing for? I told air what plugin it was in and the name, and with that information should take you a few seconds to get it. Also the fact that I made it, is it any different then me going on console and oping myself there? One way I have to do it from ingame the other from my other screen. I was still admin which means I still had the ability to op and deop people, with the only people I oped/deoped was myself. So the only thing I did wrong was not ask ako before I made it? In which when we talked about it he was fine that it was there just had wished I had asked before I made it. Also like to remind everyone that Ako, Air, and I had been talking about it before Jan told kovos about it and there was no punishment, yet when the rest of staff finds out about it, it then turns into some big deal that it was not when I was first talking with Ako about it. Also I gave my answer and Ako did not find it satisfactory so that "he wouldnt answer really" I did answer just it was found to be lacking in Akomine's eyes.
[12/29/2012 3:32:06 PM] Kovos Datch: Cj just told star "Star do you know how to lose some weight" so I muted him
[12/29/2012 3:32:20 PM] Kovos Datch: I am tell everyone publicly
[12/29/2012 3:32:38 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: clap clap calp
[12/29/2012 3:32:47 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: misusing your mute ability
[12/29/2012 3:32:51 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: i was not spaming
[12/29/2012 3:32:56 PM] Kovos Datch: flaming
[12/29/2012 3:33:11 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: flaming now is it?
[12/29/2012 3:33:18 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: lol kovos you need to learn
[12/29/2012 3:34:21 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): It's being a fucking douche
[12/29/2012 3:34:47 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: well you made yourself public on the internet have to be confertible with yourself
[12/29/2012 3:34:53 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): *comfortable
[12/29/2012 3:35:11 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): So your response is to try to tear me down?
[12/29/2012 3:35:15 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): Do you even fucking have a life?
[12/29/2012 3:35:31 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: [Saturday, December 29, 2012 3:35 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar):
<<< So your response is to try to tear me down?same said to you
[12/29/2012 3:35:49 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): All I told you was to shut up. You started it by attacking Kovos publicly
[12/29/2012 3:36:01 PM] Star (xxbabygirlstar): He did what he thought was right and your response to ask if he knows how to do something like he's stupid.
[12/29/2012 3:37:15 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: well does he
[12/29/2012 3:38:36 PM] Kovos Datch: No, I am an effing retard spawned in the lowest pits of mordor
[12/29/2012 3:39:20 PM] CJ Miller [CJM]: well via your actions have to agree with your sarcastic statement
During this there was several moderators on and not one of them muted me, kovos muted me. Now think about that the reason kovos has the mute ability is when something gets out of hand and there are no staff around, yet there was several staff on and after you did it Ako told me rune was telling you that you should not of muted me. This seems as a rather one way street, staff members and star make fun of me (flaming) and I turn around and give them the same treatment I get muted. So I get punished for snapping back at star yet nothing happens to her wouldn't that make you pissed?
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Now lets quote the reason I got banned according to Akomine.
[12/30/2012 11:51:18 PM] Ako: For writing a backdoor into rTriggers and hiding it, and then refusing to give a straight answer about it, or why you hid it.
For being a complete douche to many people.
For going out of control in the recent days with your inflammatory remarks that seem to only be designed to either insult people or stir up shit.
For directly harassing and bullying members of the server, especially Star, who you decided attack her for being overweight.
I have recieved so many complaints about you recently, and the staff has decided that for the betterment of the server that you could not be involved in it if you were going to behave this way. In many's opinions you have been given several opportunities to "shape up", but have perhaps only gotten worse. We can't have someone directly negatively affecting other human beings on a videogame that is supposed to be fun. I took your advice to stop being a pacifist and take lead, so I listened to the mass of complaints, the threats from many to leave the server, and the advice of the staff, and agreed to ban you. I didn't originally want to do this, but it is a good decision.
I thank you for everything you've done with the server, and regret that we had to come to this point. I know you said you were setting up another server with someone, and I hope that is successful. As with any player who has recieved a punishment, you are free to appeal on the forums.
Lets take a closer look at the middle paragraph. "I listened to the mass of complaints, the threats from many to leave the server," so I was banned because people threatened to leave the server because of me. So my messages is what got me banned when the people could of just /ignore (which you seem as the general response if you don't want to hear someone), but instead I am banned without any final warning (go back up to previous post). Now mass complaints does not equal mass people, I do not talk to very many people on the server so there is only so many people that could be on this mass complaint list, of which:
[12/30/2012 11:54:31 PM] Ako: some staff, some non-staff
Also I said this to Ako after he sent me that and I will say it again. I told Akomine to lead and speak his mind to the others, instead he had/has been sitting back letting others talk in his name when he told me he did not agree with them, so either akomine was lieing to me or other staff members are lieing about what they where told. "and agreed to ban you" that is not leading that is falling to peer pressure. Also with my comments to star I apologized being the better man and saying I screwed up even when we have stuff like that going on the server every day and nothing happens.
Now it is very unlikly that I will be unbanned in any circumstance because the same people that are voting to have me unbanned are the same people that threatened to leave the server if I was not and also where the first to say I should be instantly banned for evidence brought up by kovos before I was even asked about it.
Which btw the ending line of kovos's statement was:
"I also hope fair, swift action is taken so justice can be extracted"
and he had not even talked to me about any of it.
JANUARYJONES:
"But what I think is best is punishment, he resigned so I'm ready to say the best idea is a ban/long tempban."
Runek:
"My understanding is that strict punishment is a last resort, and I fully support this. In this case though, its my opinion that CJ be permanently banned. Given the gravity of the situation, I also recommend that the server owners make an executive decision on this."
Lycoris (AIDA_Player):
"God mode, messing with admin permissions, and stopping the server. All horrible and unforgivable things. That is the ultimate unfair advantage. He abused console and stop, he also abused out trust upon giving those things to him."
All of there was from before I even asked about the situation. Which in the end I showed I did not grief when it was not allowed nor did I use my abilities as an admin to help me do it. With kovos leaving out facts that he was there when he said I griefed the place and did not mention that at all. That entire thread was using circumstantial evidence so that 1+1 = 3 and an attempt to have me banned.
Also durring the investigation:
[24.10.210.53][12/04/2012 03:16:05 AM (VillageCraft: -951,5,-621)] JANUARYJONES: /ss and I'm sorry your friend is a serious power abuser, don't get mad at us
[24.10.210.53][12/04/2012 03:16:14 AM (VillageCraft: -949,5,-621)] JANUARYJONES: /ss just trying to make things right
Makes things right by doing what bugging me with /spectate and tpo?
[98.168.234.114][12/04/2012 03:17:53 AM (VillageCraft: 1099,66,412)] Runek591: /ss Cay, you really are welcome to state your opinion on this. =) You're part of the staff, and we
[98.168.234.114][12/04/2012 03:17:58 AM (VillageCraft: 1099,66,412)] Runek591: /ss will listen.
[99.68.128.130][12/04/2012 03:18:40 AM (VillageCraft: -17560,5,2908)] cayrat: /ss i rather not, most the time this happens "You're the kid, you don't know anything"
As another note on that cayrat is the only person who said anything positive about me and she is instantly verbally assaulted by being called childish, stupid, and told to stay out of it. Now if any of you where going to call anything douche that is and where is the non bias attitude.
Some more quotes:
[24.10.210.53][12/01/2012 05:15:43 AM (VillageCraft_the_end: -732,9,19)] JANUARYJONES: /ss you broke my protected chests you fucking dickhead
[50.122.87.69][12/01/2012 05:15:51 AM (VillageCraft_the_end: -732,57,-15)] cjm721: /ss did you not read the new rules
[50.122.87.69][12/01/2012 05:15:54 AM (VillageCraft_the_end: -732,57,-15)] cjm721: /stack
[50.122.87.69][12/01/2012 05:15:56 AM (VillageCraft_the_end: -732,57,-14)] cjm721: /ss no lockette
[24.10.210.53][12/01/2012 05:15:56 AM (VillageCraft_the_end: -731,9,16)] JANUARYJONES: /ss MY PROTECTED CHESTS
[24.10.210.53][12/01/2012 05:16:01 AM (VillageCraft_the_end: -731,9,16)] JANUARYJONES: /ss I don't care
[24.10.210.53][12/01/2012 05:16:04 AM (VillageCraft_the_end: -731,9,16)] JANUARYJONES: /ss why would you do this?
[50.122.87.69][12/01/2012 05:16:12 AM (VillageCraft_the_end: -732,58,-3)] cjm721: /ss first off dig build this
[99.68.128.130][12/01/2012 05:16:16 AM (VillageCraft: -1582,97,-2381)] cayrat: /ss he hated dig
[50.122.87.69][12/01/2012 05:16:18 AM (VillageCraft_the_end: -732,58,-3)] cjm721: /ss second im doing it to all
[24.10.210.53][12/01/2012 05:16:25 AM (VillageCraft_the_end: -731,9,16)] JANUARYJONES: /ss I don't care you broke my lockettes
[24.10.210.53][12/01/2012 05:16:36 AM (VillageCraft_the_end: -731,9,16)] JANUARYJONES: /ss how did you get to my spawner?
[201.141.229.24][12/01/2012 05:16:36 AM (VillageCraft: -3906,108,-3709)] airborne101st45: /tpo jan
[50.122.87.69][12/01/2012 05:16:47 AM (VillageCraft_the_end: -737,58,23)] cjm721: /ss had a home here since dig started building
[99.68.128.130][12/01/2012 05:16:55 AM (VillageCraft: -1582,97,-2381)] cayrat: /ss there was a warp there a long ago too
[24.10.210.53][12/01/2012 05:17:05 AM (VillageCraft_the_end: -731,9,16)] JANUARYJONES: /ss I'm fucking done
[50.122.87.69][12/01/2012 05:17:12 AM (VillageCraft_the_end: -737,58,-1)] cjm721: /ss i made the warp when we were looking at dig
[24.10.210.53][12/01/2012 05:17:16 AM (VillageCraft_the_end: -731,9,-9)] JANUARYJONES: /ss cunt
"I don't care" when I ask her if she read the new rules that had been up for a week. Jan's general response to me I don't give a shit about you, cuss at me then leave.
But hell as I said before the cards are stacked and as a general note it seems that if you can get a few people including staff to threaten to leave the server you can get anyone banned. Especially if you spend a month trying to spin everything against them, then follow them around all the time. I will continue this appeal because my reasons for coming back have not changed, but I am not naive enough to think people who have never changed before are going to change now.
As it exceeded the post length had to two it in 3 sections.
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lol, there are so many lies and inaccuracies on this I'm not even going to bother.
I wish you all the best in the future, CJ. I'm done with you. :)
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One of the main staff guidelines I seen broken time and time again since I left is using staff only commands to help player / hurt non rule breaking ones, and using staff only commands for personal gain. That has never been allowed yet soon as I step down I start seeing more and more of it.
Lol. You did that. At such a monsterous level that you "stepped down" as a result.
Also the point of having staff commands is to use them to help the playerbase (replacing griefed items, settling disputes via observation with /vanish, ensuring rules aren't broken with /spectate, etc).
Good luck in future, CJ.
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One of the main staff guidelines I seen broken time and time again since I left is using staff only commands to help player / hurt non rule breaking ones, and using staff only commands for personal gain. That has never been allowed yet soon as I step down I start seeing more and more of it.
Lol. You did that. At such a monsterous level that you "stepped down" as a result.
Also the point of having staff commands is to use them to help the playerbase (replacing griefed items, settling disputes via observation with /vanish, ensuring rules aren't broken with /spectate, etc).
Good luck in future, CJ.
No I stepped down because I was not able to play as a player while being an admin. I abused no commands when I was griefing the spawners so ya get your facts straight.
And two both of you you can say I'm lieing as much as you until the point that everyone heard it so much that they believe it, but that does not change the truth.
And directly to rune. Point them out then instead of your general to many to bother.
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I think Aysun and Rune covered my thoughts as well.
Just as I made a case against you, Cj, about the end, you bring this on me. I was incorrect on some thing in the "end" case. You explained yourself and the staff took it into consideration. You, like I, have a few things wrong here.
For example, let's get something clear here:
When you insulted Star. There were staff members online... however they were afk (as none of them were responding to players, me, or general chat). I weighed the situation... as well as the crap you gave us (mainly me) on the forums and I took action.
Ako
[12/29/2012 4:04:17 PM] Kovos Datch: He flamed Star today. After she basically asked him if he knew when to shut up, he asked her if she knew how to lose some weight. I muted him for a few minutes. You all were afk at the time and were busy with other things.
[12/29/2012 4:21:23 PM] Ako: he said what?
[12/29/2012 4:21:28 PM] Ako: did you save what he wrote?
[12/29/2012 4:22:10 PM] Kovos Datch: Well it's in chat logs.... but it went something like "Star do you know how to lose weight?"
[12/29/2012 4:23:27 PM] Ako: ohh
[12/29/2012 4:23:31 PM] Ako: but the weight thing is in chat?
[12/29/2012 4:23:36 PM] Kovos Datch: it was
[12/29/2012 4:23:40 PM] Ako: when?
[12/29/2012 4:23:43 PM] Ako: i'm gonna check logs
[12/29/2012 4:23:50 PM] Kovos Datch: 3:25-3:35 EST
[12/29/2012 4:23:57 PM] Ako: so, recently
[12/29/2012 4:24:09 PM] Ako: today?
[12/29/2012 4:24:09 PM] Kovos Datch: Indeed
[12/29/2012 4:24:09 PM] Ako: k
[12/29/2012 4:24:15 PM] Kovos Datch: You all were afk
[12/29/2012 4:24:31 PM] Kovos Datch: So i muted him until I could talk to Rune or you about it
[12/29/2012 4:24:51 PM] Ako: k
[12/29/2012 4:27:17 PM] Ako: btw, you muting him in that case is TOTALLY OKAY
[12/29/2012 4:27:19 PM] Ako: and thankyou for doing it
Good fight, old chap! ;)
Now that command was there because I do not trust the current staff with being able to handle running the server
Don't you now! Well I believe that speaks chapters about you! You don't trust them? Why should they trust you?
What I am getting at in a roundabout way is:
Your ban appeals shows you haven't changed a bit. You believe your truth is the only truth and that there can be no other way. Your point of view is the only feasible option. There have been many philosophical discussions, thoughts, and papers about this kind of thing. Philosophers have come to a general consensus: there are many perceived truths, but there is only one REAL truth.
For example: You are sitting at the lunch table and you see a small group of people looking at your general direction... and they are all laughing. You think they are laughing at you because of some negative reason. They, in fact, are laughing at a joke you told in class right before lunch. Your perceived truth makes it seem that you are correct... but in reality, you a totally wrong.
You, Cj, fit right into that category. You can only think in your own truth. You cannot accept total, real, factual truth. You only claim your truth is truth. Some of your "truth" is factual... but some of it is totally false.
You said in your first post:
After quite a while of debating I have decided to request to be unbanned. I know I let my emotions get the best of me and I took it out on everyone on the server, and for that you all have my apology. If I am unbanned I will be quite and just keep to myself.
I would like to point out that you are doing a sorry job of proving that on this ban appeal. It seems to me that you cannot wrap your head around other "truths" that have truth behind them. I also enjoy how you went after me, specifically, on this ban appeal. My posts were giving my professional opinion. In fact, let's take my 2 posts from this ban appeal. The first one was, in my opinion (as well as the opinions of others), well thought-out and well written. It didn't make any direct attacks on you so much as give my opinion of the situation. My second post went something like:
I went through some of the skype chats and asked around for some of the other ones. Some of these posts may or may not be relevant, so I will just post them all. Take them how you want.
Please note how I left it to open interpretation. I didn't attack you. I didn't defame you. I didn't cast you in any sort of light. You, however, repeatedly went after me in those responses you gave. That, too, speaks chapters about how much you have changed!
In my professional opinion, Cj, you have not changed in the least.
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I think Aysun and Rune covered my thoughts as well.
Just as I made a case against you, Cj, about the end, you bring this on me. I was incorrect on some thing in the "end" case. You explained yourself and the staff took it into consideration. You, like I, have a few things wrong here.
For example, let's get something clear here:
When you insulted Star. There were staff members online... however they were afk (as none of them were responding to players, me, or general chat). I weighed the situation... as well as the crap you gave us (mainly me) on the forums and I took action.
Ako
[12/29/2012 4:04:17 PM] Kovos Datch: He flamed Star today. After she basically asked him if he knew when to shut up, he asked her if she knew how to lose some weight. I muted him for a few minutes. You all were afk at the time and were busy with other things.
[12/29/2012 4:21:23 PM] Ako: he said what?
[12/29/2012 4:21:28 PM] Ako: did you save what he wrote?
[12/29/2012 4:22:10 PM] Kovos Datch: Well it's in chat logs.... but it went something like "Star do you know how to lose weight?"
[12/29/2012 4:23:27 PM] Ako: ohh
[12/29/2012 4:23:31 PM] Ako: but the weight thing is in chat?
[12/29/2012 4:23:36 PM] Kovos Datch: it was
[12/29/2012 4:23:40 PM] Ako: when?
[12/29/2012 4:23:43 PM] Ako: i'm gonna check logs
[12/29/2012 4:23:50 PM] Kovos Datch: 3:25-3:35 EST
[12/29/2012 4:23:57 PM] Ako: so, recently
[12/29/2012 4:24:09 PM] Ako: today?
[12/29/2012 4:24:09 PM] Kovos Datch: Indeed
[12/29/2012 4:24:09 PM] Ako: k
[12/29/2012 4:24:15 PM] Kovos Datch: You all were afk
[12/29/2012 4:24:31 PM] Kovos Datch: So i muted him until I could talk to Rune or you about it
[12/29/2012 4:24:51 PM] Ako: k
[12/29/2012 4:27:17 PM] Ako: btw, you muting him in that case is TOTALLY OKAY
[12/29/2012 4:27:19 PM] Ako: and thankyou for doing it
Good fight, old chap! ;)
Now that command was there because I do not trust the current staff with being able to handle running the server
Don't you now! Well I believe that speaks chapters about you! You don't trust them? Why should they trust you?
What I am getting at in a roundabout way is:
Your ban appeals shows you haven't changed a bit. You believe your truth is the only truth and that there can be no other way. Your point of view is the only feasible option. There have been many philosophical discussions, thoughts, and papers about this kind of thing. Philosophers have come to a general consensus: there are many perceived truths, but there is only one REAL truth.
For example: You are sitting at the lunch table and you see a small group of people looking at your general direction... and they are all laughing. You think they are laughing at you because of some negative reason. They, in fact, are laughing at a joke you told in class right before lunch. Your perceived truth makes it seem that you are correct... but in reality, you a totally wrong.
You, Cj, fit right into that category. You can only think in your own truth. You cannot accept total, real, factual truth. You only claim your truth is truth. Some of your "truth" is factual... but some of it is totally false.
You said in your first post:
After quite a while of debating I have decided to request to be unbanned. I know I let my emotions get the best of me and I took it out on everyone on the server, and for that you all have my apology. If I am unbanned I will be quite and just keep to myself.
I would like to point out that you are doing a sorry job of proving that on this ban appeal. It seems to me that you cannot wrap your head around other "truths" that have truth behind them. I also enjoy how you went after me, specifically, on this ban appeal. My posts were giving my professional opinion. In fact, let's take my 2 posts from this ban appeal. The first one was, in my opinion (as well as the opinions of others), well thought-out and well written. It didn't make any direct attacks on you so much as give my opinion of the situation. My second post went something like:
I went through some of the skype chats and asked around for some of the other ones. Some of these posts may or may not be relevant, so I will just post them all. Take them how you want.
Please note how I left it to open interpretation. I didn't attack you. I didn't defame you. I didn't cast you in any sort of light. You, however, repeatedly went after me in those responses you gave. That, too, speaks chapters about how much you have changed!
In my professional opinion, Cj, you have not changed in the least.
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So someone is lieing as when I talked to Ako he told me it was not right that I was muted. Also you say you weighted in on "the crap" I gave you on the forums. So your saying you muted me there because not what I said ingame but what I said ingame combined with on the forums. Which if you take to the next logical step I did not break a rule ingame as you would not of had to weigh what I did on the forums also to make your decision.
And for not trusting staff lets see why. I already knew most of them wanted me gone and that I have had to talk to all of them about rules they have broken. So ya I don't trust people without conditions when I seen them cheat.
AIDA_Player:
- Using worldedit to build enderman farm
- Using worldedit to build village
JANUARYJONES:
Personal Use of:
- xray
- ./enchant
- Creative in personal village (pre and post admin)
- Using tpo to set alt account at location of catty's blaze farm
- When asked about /vanishing then tpo to specific people would not give a reason as to why she was just checking them and noone else
Akomine:
Has a soft spot for Januaryjones that has been noticed by all the owners not just me. Of the things listed above all she got was a talking to no physical action of which she did not change her methods.
Kovos:
You have always treated anything I post different. For other people you are open about what you are doing, but when I post I am always wrong and if anything is looked at it is never talked about.
Now for quite a few more look at the forums. Then you come back and tell me why should I trust them.
Now this ban appeal started as me stating that I take the hit for all this bull shit, but as this has progressed I have also seen no change in anyone's attitude. Just going to spit the same thing back over and over and not even answer anything I bring up. Such as why I was not warned in that hour before I was banned. Why there is inconsistencies between what I was told and what you are saying. Or how my actions deemed a ban yet others not even a talking to. Also saying I only believe my own statements the same could be said for you. I been playing on this server logger then anyone (physical time) and you really think there was some switch turned from where I was trusted to that I am a liar? I as a person have not changed, I still hold on to my morals and beliefs yet all I am seeing on here is a bandwagon of people who don't want me back not because I broke any rules but because I caught them breaking rules (side reminder here until recently I also kept it confidential which is not the same favor I got in return).
So if I am totally wrong kovos go through my posts and state how they are wrong, considering probably just going to start making up false evidence again like you did the first time but hey prove me wrong. But like you said you don't flame only I do, but in all reality lying is worse then flaming kovos. If you change your actions then I will forgive you, but if you keep wanting to do the same thing over and over don't expect to get a different response.
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I just want to explain what the backdoor was because there seems to be some wrong information about it. CJ hid 2 scripts in a plugin. These scripts gave CJ and ANYONE the ability to use the /op and /deop commands because the commands had no permission node and he even gave the two commands interesting names. The command to OP himself was called "hereitis666" and the command to deop himself was "soitbegins666". CJ did tell us (Ako and me) about the backdoor a couple days after I removed him from staff and removed his console privileges and FTP access. The thing is...when I asked CJ why he made the backdoor he said that it was an old backdoor and he just removed the permission node. This seemed kind of strange to me so I checked my October/November server backups and of course, the backdoor wasn't there, which means that CJ made the backdoor after all the disputes started to happen.
My theory is that after CJ "resigned" from staff and lost access to the server files, he regretted creating the backdoor because he feared Ako or me would find it so he decided to come clean about it. What were his true intentions when he created the backdoor? I have no idea but the names he gave to the backdoor commands are interesting.
My stance on this appeal (and the voting we did) is that CJ should be unbanned when VC is running 1.5 but that is just my own opinion.
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So someone is lieing as when I talked to Ako he told me it was not right that I was muted. Also you say you weighted in on "the crap" I gave you on the forums. So your saying you muted me there because not what I said ingame but what I said ingame combined with on the forums. Which if you take to the next logical step I did not break a rule ingame as you would not of had to weigh what I did on the forums also to make your decision.
And for not trusting staff lets see why. I already knew most of them wanted me gone and that I have had to talk to all of them about rules they have broken. So ya I don't trust people without conditions when I seen them cheat.
AIDA_Player:
- Using worldedit to build enderman farm
- Using worldedit to build village
JANUARYJONES:
Personal Use of:
- xray
- ./enchant
- Creative in personal village (pre and post admin)
- Using tpo to set alt account at location of catty's blaze farm
- When asked about /vanishing then tpo to specific people would not give a reason as to why she was just checking them and noone else
Akomine:
Has a soft spot for Januaryjones that has been noticed by all the owners not just me. Of the things listed above all she got was a talking to no physical action of which she did not change her methods.
Kovos:
You have always treated anything I post different. For other people you are open about what you are doing, but when I post I am always wrong and if anything is looked at it is never talked about.
Now for quite a few more look at the forums. Then you come back and tell me why should I trust them.
Now this ban appeal started as me stating that I take the hit for all this bull shit, but as this has progressed I have also seen no change in anyone's attitude. Just going to spit the same thing back over and over and not even answer anything I bring up. Such as why I was not warned in that hour before I was banned. Why there is inconsistencies between what I was told and what you are saying. Or how my actions deemed a ban yet others not even a talking to. Also saying I only believe my own statements the same could be said for you. I been playing on this server logger then anyone (physical time) and you really think there was some switch turned from where I was trusted to that I am a liar? I as a person have not changed, I still hold on to my morals and beliefs yet all I am seeing on here is a bandwagon of people who don't want me back not because I broke any rules but because I caught them breaking rules (side reminder here until recently I also kept it confidential which is not the same favor I got in return).
So if I am totally wrong kovos go through my posts and state how they are wrong, considering probably just going to start making up false evidence again like you did the first time but hey prove me wrong. But like you said you don't flame only I do, but in all reality lying is worse then flaming kovos. If you change your actions then I will forgive you, but if you keep wanting to do the same thing over and over don't expect to get a different response.
Mind if you post specific evidence of these specific incidences listed above? I'd love to take your word on it... but seeing as your word seems a little shoddy right now, I'm going to need to see some hard evidence.
You say you told Ako and he said differently? Good! Please post the chat you had with him! I'd love to see it!
You say Ako favors Jan? How is that any different from Cay favoring you?
You say Aida W.E. his ender spawner? You said you moved your ender spawner.
I had already explained the reason I moved it which was because no players had been to my spawner and only staff members I had allowed to teleport there were to see what one was, so I moved it in a circle around the center island a few degrees to avoid any issue of having to deal with staff members using staff only knowledge to get there.
I don't know if Aida did W.E. something in. If you have evidence, please post it. However, you seem to have done some things yourself. But, hey, it's always different when you do it, right? After all, you do have that warped sense of reality that I explained before.
Jan did all of that stuff, did she? As I said before, please post evidence.
As for me, I think I am done with this ban appeal. I explained my thoughts and I think I did so in a reasonable fashion. I would like to hope for you the best in life, Cj. Just watch the temper and be open to the ideas of others :)
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Well this appeal was lost quite a while ago, as seen by my post being edited. To be more precise it was lost the same day that you all agreed to ban me not based on the rules that had been set up but on feelings. No idea why I appealed in the first place when I could still see ingame chat.
If you guy's don't follow your own rules how do you expect anyone else to follow them.
[1/22/2013 7:15:20 PM] Ako: not everyone has voted yet, and there are votes in both directions, so the better your appeal the better the chance you are unbanned. Bring up whatever you need to bring up, it is your appeal.
As of that vote last time being 6:2 for me to be banned at least shows someone on staff remembers what they should be doing. And more to Akomine if you really thought this appeal was to early what where you waiting for to be the right time? For everyone to forget about it all?
I guess if my posts here are going to be edited I will move off this forums for the public eye to see where they cannot be edited and then you all can explain yourself. That is unless someone explains a very good reason as why it was edited, but ya cya all tomorrow.
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What I wanted to see from you in this appeal to consider you seriously:
1. Own up to what you have done from abuse of powers to the douchery after you were demoted.
2. Explain why you did these things -- you let your emotions get the better of you? What does that mean?
3. Show that you have changed.
What I have seen:
Same old bullshit.
While I'm not sure why airborne edited your post, and you're quick to make an assumption that it was to silence you, the point remains.
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Well this appeal was lost quite a while ago, as seen by my post being edited. To be more precise it was lost the same day that you all agreed to ban me not based on the rules that had been set up but on feelings. No idea why I appealed in the first place when I could still see ingame chat.
If you guy's don't follow your own rules how do you expect anyone else to follow them.
[1/22/2013 7:15:20 PM] Ako: not everyone has voted yet, and there are votes in both directions, so the better your appeal the better the chance you are unbanned. Bring up whatever you need to bring up, it is your appeal.
As of that vote last time being 6:2 for me to be banned at least shows someone on staff remembers what they should be doing. And more to Akomine if you really thought this appeal was to early what where you waiting for to be the right time? For everyone to forget about it all?
I guess if my posts here are going to be edited I will move off this forums for the public eye to see where they cannot be edited and then you all can explain yourself. That is unless someone explains a very good reason as why it was edited, but ya cya all tomorrow.
Disclaimer: I was not active during the time that most of this went down. Believe i stopped playing right after it started. Also didn't read EVERYTHING in this thread >.>
But anyways... Cj the staff is doing wut they should be doing and following the rules. You were given powers other players didn't have... Sure you did some good with those powers but apparently you also did some bad. You fucked up basically... not sure why or exactly to wut extent but it was bad enough that it became an issue and staff had to talk about it and decide wut needed to be done. You stepped down from staff or wut ever... that doesn't change anything you did at that time... that doesn't make up for anything you did... That was your chance to change and make up for the bad things you did... but apparently you didn't and you continued to act like a douche on the server... If I fucked up so bad that I had to step down from staff I wouldn't wanna fuck up anymore because I know I would get banned... Guess you didn't realize that... The staff isn't acting just out of feelings... You broke the golden rule.... "Don't be a douche!"... To the point they banned you. Maybe this appeal was to soon.. probably should have waited tell 1.5 came out or something... But I don't think any of the staff is really ready to trust you. Or at least not enough of it. Sorry dude... you dun fucked up... Now you got to live with it... Just move on and learn from it. If you can't do that try again in a month or two?... Don't know wut else to tell you.
You didn't seem all that bad to me (prior to me quitting for a couple months)... but I can see where the rest of the staff is coming from.
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I just want to explain what the backdoor was because there seems to be some wrong information about it. CJ hid 2 scripts in a plugin. These scripts gave CJ and ANYONE the ability to use the /op and /deop commands because the commands had no permission node and he even gave the two commands interesting names. The command to OP himself was called "hereitis666" and the command to deop himself was "soitbegins666". CJ did tell us (Ako and me) about the backdoor a couple days after I removed him from staff and removed his console privileges and FTP access. The thing is...when I asked CJ why he made the backdoor he said that it was an old backdoor and he just removed the permission node. This seemed kind of strange to me so I checked my October/November server backups and of course, the backdoor wasn't there, which means that CJ made the backdoor after all the disputes started to happen.
My theory is that after CJ "resigned" from staff and lost access to the server files, he regretted creating the backdoor because he feared Ako or me would find it so he decided to come clean about it. What were his true intentions when he created the backdoor? I have no idea but the names he gave to the backdoor commands are interesting.
My stance on this appeal (and the voting we did) is that CJ should be unbanned when VC is running 1.5 but that is just my own opinion.
I do thank you air for at least saying something, but as long as you protect Jan with all the shit she has done there is no reason for me to come back as she will just find some reason to state to every why I should be banned, then the band wagon will join.
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Well this appeal was lost quite a while ago, as seen by my post being edited. To be more precise it was lost the same day that you all agreed to ban me not based on the rules that had been set up but on feelings. No idea why I appealed in the first place when I could still see ingame chat.
If you guy's don't follow your own rules how do you expect anyone else to follow them.
[1/22/2013 7:15:20 PM] Ako: not everyone has voted yet, and there are votes in both directions, so the better your appeal the better the chance you are unbanned. Bring up whatever you need to bring up, it is your appeal.
As of that vote last time being 6:2 for me to be banned at least shows someone on staff remembers what they should be doing. And more to Akomine if you really thought this appeal was to early what where you waiting for to be the right time? For everyone to forget about it all?
I guess if my posts here are going to be edited I will move off this forums for the public eye to see where they cannot be edited and then you all can explain yourself. That is unless someone explains a very good reason as why it was edited, but ya cya all tomorrow.
I removed 2 lines of text because they were completely irrelevant and false.
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Well this appeal was lost quite a while ago, as seen by my post being edited. To be more precise it was lost the same day that you all agreed to ban me not based on the rules that had been set up but on feelings. No idea why I appealed in the first place when I could still see ingame chat.
If you guy's don't follow your own rules how do you expect anyone else to follow them.
[1/22/2013 7:15:20 PM] Ako: not everyone has voted yet, and there are votes in both directions, so the better your appeal the better the chance you are unbanned. Bring up whatever you need to bring up, it is your appeal.
As of that vote last time being 6:2 for me to be banned at least shows someone on staff remembers what they should be doing. And more to Akomine if you really thought this appeal was to early what where you waiting for to be the right time? For everyone to forget about it all?
I guess if my posts here are going to be edited I will move off this forums for the public eye to see where they cannot be edited and then you all can explain yourself. That is unless someone explains a very good reason as why it was edited, but ya cya all tomorrow.
I removed 2 lines of text because they were completely irrelevant and false.
Oh really now? Jan has not been giving nude pictures of people she is calling ex girlfriends? So why had she sent nearly 200 of them while I was still on staff? I am being questioned for my reliability by people who are not trustworthy or reliable. If I am going to be torn apart by mixing real with false then I might as well shed some light on the people doing it.
I was banned because people threatened to leave the server including JANUARYJONES. Do you really think I am that much of an idiot not to see how much you ask for photos and Ako instantly hop on skype not to notice. You picked boobs over me, fine. Just stop trying to point it the other way.
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Welcome to the internet and get a sense of humor, CJ. Pictures like that are everywhere.
I understand you're still young, but damn, no need to be afraid of boobs.
Suggesting a topic locked. The vote is underway, I think we've seen enough.
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Well this appeal was lost quite a while ago, as seen by my post being edited. To be more precise it was lost the same day that you all agreed to ban me not based on the rules that had been set up but on feelings. No idea why I appealed in the first place when I could still see ingame chat.
If you guy's don't follow your own rules how do you expect anyone else to follow them.
[1/22/2013 7:15:20 PM] Ako: not everyone has voted yet, and there are votes in both directions, so the better your appeal the better the chance you are unbanned. Bring up whatever you need to bring up, it is your appeal.
As of that vote last time being 6:2 for me to be banned at least shows someone on staff remembers what they should be doing. And more to Akomine if you really thought this appeal was to early what where you waiting for to be the right time? For everyone to forget about it all?
I guess if my posts here are going to be edited I will move off this forums for the public eye to see where they cannot be edited and then you all can explain yourself. That is unless someone explains a very good reason as why it was edited, but ya cya all tomorrow.
I removed 2 lines of text because they were completely irrelevant and false.
Oh really now? Jan has not been giving nude pictures of people she is calling ex girlfriends? So why had she sent nearly 200 of them while I was still on staff? I am being questioned for my reliability by people who are not trustworthy or reliable. If I am going to be torn apart by mixing real with false then I might as well shed some light on the people doing it.
I was banned because people threatened to leave the server including JANUARYJONES. Do you really think I am that much of an idiot not to see how much you ask for photos and Ako instantly hop on skype not to notice. You picked boobs over me, fine. Just stop trying to point it the other way.
lol wtf! She never called them "ex girlfriends" and we did all of it as a fucking joke. Only your brain could turn that to "You picked me over boobs".
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Well this appeal was lost quite a while ago, as seen by my post being edited. To be more precise it was lost the same day that you all agreed to ban me not based on the rules that had been set up but on feelings. No idea why I appealed in the first place when I could still see ingame chat.
If you guy's don't follow your own rules how do you expect anyone else to follow them.
[1/22/2013 7:15:20 PM] Ako: not everyone has voted yet, and there are votes in both directions, so the better your appeal the better the chance you are unbanned. Bring up whatever you need to bring up, it is your appeal.
As of that vote last time being 6:2 for me to be banned at least shows someone on staff remembers what they should be doing. And more to Akomine if you really thought this appeal was to early what where you waiting for to be the right time? For everyone to forget about it all?
I guess if my posts here are going to be edited I will move off this forums for the public eye to see where they cannot be edited and then you all can explain yourself. That is unless someone explains a very good reason as why it was edited, but ya cya all tomorrow.
I removed 2 lines of text because they were completely irrelevant and false.
Oh really now? Jan has not been giving nude pictures of people she is calling ex girlfriends? So why had she sent nearly 200 of them while I was still on staff? I am being questioned for my reliability by people who are not trustworthy or reliable. If I am going to be torn apart by mixing real with false then I might as well shed some light on the people doing it.
I was banned because people threatened to leave the server including JANUARYJONES. Do you really think I am that much of an idiot not to see how much you ask for photos and Ako instantly hop on skype not to notice. You picked boobs over me, fine. Just stop trying to point it the other way.
lol wtf! She never called them "ex girlfriends" and we did all of it as a fucking joke. Only your brain could turn that to "You picked me over boobs".
Time to go back 6 months into skype logs, and yes she did. So saying it was all a joke does that still make it any better? She shows you all nude pictures of women and you all go running for it. If it was a joke why you guys do it over 10 times that I was on and saw.
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Well this appeal was lost quite a while ago, as seen by my post being edited. To be more precise it was lost the same day that you all agreed to ban me not based on the rules that had been set up but on feelings. No idea why I appealed in the first place when I could still see ingame chat.
If you guy's don't follow your own rules how do you expect anyone else to follow them.
[1/22/2013 7:15:20 PM] Ako: not everyone has voted yet, and there are votes in both directions, so the better your appeal the better the chance you are unbanned. Bring up whatever you need to bring up, it is your appeal.
As of that vote last time being 6:2 for me to be banned at least shows someone on staff remembers what they should be doing. And more to Akomine if you really thought this appeal was to early what where you waiting for to be the right time? For everyone to forget about it all?
I guess if my posts here are going to be edited I will move off this forums for the public eye to see where they cannot be edited and then you all can explain yourself. That is unless someone explains a very good reason as why it was edited, but ya cya all tomorrow.
I removed 2 lines of text because they were completely irrelevant and false.
Oh really now? Jan has not been giving nude pictures of people she is calling ex girlfriends? So why had she sent nearly 200 of them while I was still on staff? I am being questioned for my reliability by people who are not trustworthy or reliable. If I am going to be torn apart by mixing real with false then I might as well shed some light on the people doing it.
I was banned because people threatened to leave the server including JANUARYJONES. Do you really think I am that much of an idiot not to see how much you ask for photos and Ako instantly hop on skype not to notice. You picked boobs over me, fine. Just stop trying to point it the other way.
lol wtf! She never called them "ex girlfriends" and we did all of it as a fucking joke. Only your brain could turn that to "You picked me over boobs".
Time to go back 6 months into skype logs, and yes she did. So saying it was all a joke does that still make it any better? She shows you all nude pictures of women and you all go running for it. If it was a joke why you guys do it over 10 times that I was on and saw.
What's wrong with sharing pictures of boobs...? It's called socializing...people like to socialize.
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You downloaded almost every single nude photo I uploaded, so what's the problem?
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Well this appeal was lost quite a while ago, as seen by my post being edited. To be more precise it was lost the same day that you all agreed to ban me not based on the rules that had been set up but on feelings. No idea why I appealed in the first place when I could still see ingame chat.
If you guy's don't follow your own rules how do you expect anyone else to follow them.
[1/22/2013 7:15:20 PM] Ako: not everyone has voted yet, and there are votes in both directions, so the better your appeal the better the chance you are unbanned. Bring up whatever you need to bring up, it is your appeal.
As of that vote last time being 6:2 for me to be banned at least shows someone on staff remembers what they should be doing. And more to Akomine if you really thought this appeal was to early what where you waiting for to be the right time? For everyone to forget about it all?
I guess if my posts here are going to be edited I will move off this forums for the public eye to see where they cannot be edited and then you all can explain yourself. That is unless someone explains a very good reason as why it was edited, but ya cya all tomorrow.
I removed 2 lines of text because they were completely irrelevant and false.
Oh really now? Jan has not been giving nude pictures of people she is calling ex girlfriends? So why had she sent nearly 200 of them while I was still on staff? I am being questioned for my reliability by people who are not trustworthy or reliable. If I am going to be torn apart by mixing real with false then I might as well shed some light on the people doing it.
I was banned because people threatened to leave the server including JANUARYJONES. Do you really think I am that much of an idiot not to see how much you ask for photos and Ako instantly hop on skype not to notice. You picked boobs over me, fine. Just stop trying to point it the other way.
lol wtf! She never called them "ex girlfriends" and we did all of it as a fucking joke. Only your brain could turn that to "You picked me over boobs".
Time to go back 6 months into skype logs, and yes she did. So saying it was all a joke does that still make it any better? She shows you all nude pictures of women and you all go running for it. If it was a joke why you guys do it over 10 times that I was on and saw.
What's wrong with sharing pictures of boobs...? It's called socializing...people like to socialize.
Socializing over what is "ex's" pictures. Joke or not you really think it is that appropriate. You think it is funny to joke about betraying trust especially when the person "joking" about doing it has done it several times? Hell why is she even an admin? What did she do that was above expectations of staff members that earned her the title of admin. When ever we were both on she always push everything todo to me and say its my problem to do deal with, and I did deal with it never really caring. Now looking back all I see is that distrust and abusive use of others for her own gain.
So ya I'm going to lose this appeal not based on what I have said at all here, but what was set December 31. She wanted me gone for a long time and there is no way in hell she is going to let me back without a fight. So unless you all start looking around and realizing your just going to be stuck in it.
And I downloaded them jan not because I wanted to see them, but because I saw a person trying to get other people by using others. Kinda glad I still have them now and all my skype backed up because I had enough of this parade you been running around with. And yes I realize all your going to say is I am just scraping the floor and lost the appeal so trying to stir up shit. The goal is for people on the server to know the truth and make their own decision and if I have to be banned for that so be it, but at least others will know what really been going on.
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I have 5 things to talk about, and soitbegins:
Thing #1: Regarding the hidden op command, and that you say you told me before Jan told me about it.
This isn't true. You didn't tell me or air or her for days. People were looking over logs and Jan told me about you using op while non-staff. For a few days I would ask you a variety of questions regarding it, like how you did it. Your answers were typical of your know-it-all attitude, and instead of giving me a straight answer you gave cryptic ones, and thus you sent me on this stupid little question asking quest of slowly getting more information out of you day by day. Finally, upon getting enough info from you, Air and I had the knowledge of what you had done to be able to ask for the command and plugin.
You can paste the tiny little piece of convo where you finally give it to Air and claim that "you ask, I told" all you want, but it isn't factual. Though I think Air is right in saying you were worried about us finding it before you told us outright, I still wish you just told us and I didn't have to play the question asking game.
I'll always be curious why you named them /hereitis666 and /soitbegins666.
Thing #2: Regarding your use of the hidden op command, and your non-defense of that use.
Many times in this appeal you stop making it your appeal and start attacking others. I have no idea what this does for your case. You're probably trying to deflect blame onto other people instead of admitting any fault of your own.
One of the main staff guidelines I seen broken time and time again since I left is using staff only commands to help player / hurt non rule breaking ones, and using staff only commands for personal gain. That has never been allowed yet soon as I step down I start seeing more and more of it.
You did exactly this. You used a command for personal gain. You admitted to using your hidden op command to use creative to edit something in atlantis, and to fly around to look at something going on near or in your town.
"That has never been allowed yet soon as I step down I start seeing more and more of it." Maybe because YOU WERE THE ONE DOING IT RIGHT ONCE YOU "STEPPED DOWN"?
YOU abused the command. Period. I don't know how you can possibly claim that this wasn't an abuse of power. Not only was it for "personal gain" which is apparently not allowed, but it was also while you were NOT a Staff member.
Also, your excuse for writing and hiding that command is that you didn't trust staff. You don't get to write and hide commands from the owner of the server. You also don't get to be removed from Staff and then use those commands and claim it is okay, and then claim that anything any other player has ever done ever that mildly resembles what you did is somehow comparable.
You did something that you attack others for doing (and seem to think that you doing it is innocent). You are what is called a hypocrite.
Thing #3: The mute against you.
Was totally justified. Teasing or even attacking someone or their actions in the context of the game is one thing, but stepping into the real world becomes harassment and bullying, and I truly, truly, truly, hope that you do NOT harass or bully anyone (whether online or offline) ever again. I don't know why you think it was okay, or how you can possibly think her telling you to shut up is even remotely similar or warranting of your pathetic stab.
Kovos muted you for a good reason. If the staff weren't responding and he decided to mute, that works for me. It was 100% the right thing to do, and I hope he'd do it again any day. I would have muted you too.
Thing #4: The dark day when the evil monster known as Runek591 put a colour code in Star's nickname.
He put the colour code on to show other players that she was helping relay messages and requests for Staff help to him. In my verdict, I was saying that while I would like Staff to ask about these things, in the context of that event, it was totally justified and I pardoned both Rune and Star of any percieved or alleged wrongdoing.
Notice the "are pardoned" you don't get pardoned if nothing was wrong.
Pardon? What does this mean? They had allegations against them, and I pardoned them. Simple as that.
For whatever it's worth, I kindof like the idea of an overworked lone staff member getting someone to help relay messages.
This is a good example of the empty attacks that have nothing to do with your appeal.
What Rune did was beneficial to the server, and it is unclear to me why the fuck you care about colour in a nickname.
"Abuse of power! Abuse of power!" Nope. Good use of power. Well done, Rune. And thank you, Star.
Thing #5: Resigned vs dismissed.
I induced your resignation because I didn't want you to retaliate.
Regardless, you weren't Staff any longer, and you still had no right to use op powers.
And to be REALLY clear: you are still considered dismissed from staff, and it is both as a punishment and also because you were directly contributing to the degradation of the staff at that point. The only thing I got wrong was how the vote worked and when the verdict was delivered. What I got right was dismissing you from staff. (Btw, I basicly had asked Kovos to deliver it, but forgot to tell him to wait slightly longer, but it wasn't a big deal. I wrote the verdict, and Kovos was only the messenger of it at that point. It is still legitimate).
Again, I thank you for your help with the plugins (before you hid an op command in them), but I do not thank you for your derisive conduct that has culminated in everything you see here.
And Thing #6: Have you changed? Has this been an effective appeal?
I won't reiterate what we look for in an appeal, but I will simply say that much of what you have written here is very, very telling that you not only show no signs of guilt, but that you think everything you did is justified, and think it is acceptable to instead attack others as a defense.
You show:
-Callous unconcern for the feelings of others;
-Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations;
-Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment;
-Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.
(Signs of ASPD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissocial_personality_disorder#ICD-10)
You also show:
-A lack of empathy,
-Coldheartedness,
-Egocentricity,
-Superficial charm (though not recently),
-Manipulativeness,
-Irresponsibility, and;
-A lack of remorse.
(Signs of Sociopathy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy)
In other words, I'm concerned that you might actually have symptoms of something that would require assistance beyond what anyone on this server can give you. I don't think we have anything to offer you here.
I don't think this was an effective appeal, and I don't think you have shown that you have any remorse or plan to have any change of course.
If you really want your redstone creations, I will give them to you if you promise to leave the server forever and to never initiate anything with the members of it from then on. Simply; I think we should part ways, keep our ways parted, and do it amicably.
So, hereits:
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Verdict:
Appeal lost.
Despite clear evidence of his guilt, cjm721 does not seem to show any sort of willingness to change. It is the opinion of the majority of the staff that he was already given the chance to change. Seemingly disregarding the advice from myself, other members of the staff, as well as an almost 2 hour long Mumble conversation with Kyro, cjm721 has not displayed that he has taken the appropriate steps to be reintegrated back into regular play on the server.
Because it would be the Staff who would have to constantly monitor him and deal with any fallout of his actions, I offered the entire Staff the ability to vote on several paths to take with regards to cjm721. These included a parole option where he would have to abide by extra restrictions and could only be online with Staff present, a tempban option that would expire upon a stable-running 1.5, to deny this appeal and remain banned, to unban, to pardon, to suggest an alternate option, and to abstain.
As of right now, the vote sits at 2 for tempban, 6 for remain banned, and 1 recorded abstention. For this reason, as well as my own reasons, the reasons of many members of the playerbase, and the evidence in this appeal, I do not think there is enough support or reason to reduce the punishment for cjm721.
CJ, I have made you an offer, and hope that you will be amicable enough to agree to it. Let's put this in the past, wish eachother luck, and say good bye.
~Akomine
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PS: If something is really troubling you and you need to talk to me or just to someone, PM me... There are people who are concerned about you, and I'm happy to talk if it would be helpful.
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CJ, just one thing.
YOU GOT OWNED
YOU GOT OWNED!
You may edit this now, peepz.
Note: unless you are appealing a punishment, please don't post in someone else's appeal unless you have evidence or information that would make your intervention worthwhile. We don't need comments or opinions, unless we ask for them. Evidence and information is okay. Intervening with irrelevant posts that are not important to the appeal may result in an immediate forum temporary ban. Please, though, post useful information, observations, and interpretations if they add to the thread.
USER BANNED FOR 1 DAY FOR BREAKING GUIDELINES TWICE IN THE SAME APPEAL
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Should put him in Hell/Banishment.
Just like Rainy, who was less of a douche.
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CJ, if you ever make another appeal on another server, you really should state why you think you should be pardoned from the server ban, not tell other people what they have done wrong. Even I can tell you that this appeal was poor and trust me I goof off a lot. Evidently you are not sorry for what you have done and instead started to attack other people that have posted in this forum. I could see why you were not pardoned.. I'm sorry you couldn't rejoin this wonderful server, CJ.
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