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VillageCraft Boards => Off-Topic Discussion => Topic started by: Airbongo on 9 February 2014, 12:55:31 PM
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Ako insists that not using an s after the apostrophe of a word that ends with s is wrong, but the wrong one here is akunt.
Wrong according to Akunt:
Carlos and his dildo:
Carlos' dildo is very slimy.
Carlos' mom enjoys her son's dildo.
What is correct according to Akunt:
Carlos and his dildo:
Carlos's dildo is very slimy
Carlos's mom enjoys her son's dildo
After some research, I have concluded that BOTH uses are correct. Carlos's is a more traditional use, while Carlos' is a more recent one.
I looked through various sources but this one is best:
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=69067&highlight=plural+possessive+apostrophe+words+ending+in+s
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here is a will smith to annoy ako
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"A more recent one" probably means lazy internet losers using it has made it so commonplace it is quasi-acceptable now. Possessive is 's. There is no random rule that says if a name ends in s to randomly drop the 's.
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"A more recent one" probably means lazy internet losers using it has made it so commonplace it is quasi-acceptable now. Possessive is 's. There is no random rule that says if a name ends in s to randomly drop the 's.
Luuul so mad he got schooled
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I have seen news articles and Wikipedia articles written like that. You are wrong, son. Accept defeat.
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Possessive is 's. There is no rule that says s's can't exist.
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That's why I said both are right.
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That's why I said both are right.
So you're claiming there is an English language rule where one of the letters in the alphabet (an S) can arbitrarily alter standard possessive protocol?
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That's why I said both are right.
So you're claiming there is an English language rule where one of the letters in the alphabet (an S) can arbitrarily alter standard possessive protocol?
Not me, numerous sources. U just mad cuz u got schooled.
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Omfg I just looked at your "best source" and the argument is that Fergus's is "wierd" (yes, incorrect fucking spelling).
That forum is a bunch of speculation and assertion without sources. I don't accept it. And they can't spell worth shit so I don't want to read it anymore.
And it's a forum. Since when is a forum a source?
lol u mad coz I not accepting u bullshit lol u mad
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http://m.grammarbook.com/punctuation-rules/apostrophes.aspx
Although names ending in s or an s sound are not required to have the second s added in possessive form, it is preferred.
Mr. Jones's golf clubs
Texas's weather
Ms. Straus's daughter
Jose Sanchez's artwork
Dr. Hastings's appointment (name is Hastings)
Mrs. Lees's books (name is Lees)
Rule 4:
To show plural possession, make the noun plural first. Then immediately use the apostrophe.
Examples:
two boys' hats
two women's hats
two actresses' hats
two children's hats
the Changs' house
the Joneses' golf clubs
the Strauses' daughter
the Sanchezes' artwork
the Hastingses' appointment
the Leeses' books
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NOT REQUIRED
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Not requied because, like I said, internet laziness has dictated that the incorrect usage is so common that it is quasi-acceptable, but not preferred. That's why things keep saying it is "recent" in terms of acceptance. It's incorrect syntax either way. It's taking plural possessive rules and arbitrarily applying them to singular possessive for no reason other than some people thinking it looks wierd.
No argument over plural possessive.
Also, mobile link therefore do not care. Mobile links are not permissible as sources.
Source: Me saying it on this forum just now.
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http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/apostrophe#apostrophes_showing_possession
From the official Oxford English Dictionary. These people decide how the English language works. Also used on the UK TV show Countdown. If you have an objection, take it up with them.
Boom.
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http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/apostrophe#apostrophes_showing_possession
From the official Oxford English Dictionary. These people decide how the English language works. Also used on the UK TV show Countdown. If you have an objection, take it up with them.
Boom.
Actually, speakers and writers of English are the ones who decide how the English language works. Dictionary writers are not authorities, and their job is actually to represent the language as used by the speakers in the most accurate and correct way possible. Languages evolve as those who speak and write them change how they speak and write them, and dictionaries are to reflect this reality, not force it.
That's why the acceptance of the odd syntax of allowing singular possessive to drop the s after the apostrophe is often referred to as "recent", because dictionaries are noticing its usage. Oxford, in that link, says exception is occasionally made especially for organization names, and that it is best to check with the organization on how they spell it - because, again, Oxford is just trying to reflect the reality of an evolving language, and not act as an authority. And since s's is pronounced as such (Thomas's cheese as "Thomasis cheese", not just "Thomas cheese"), Oxford is quite clear in that link that you should indeed spell it correctly: Thomas's cheese.
Can I get a boom?
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http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/apostrophe#apostrophes_showing_possession
From the official Oxford English Dictionary. These people decide how the English language works. Also used on the UK TV show Countdown. If you have an objection, take it up with them.
Boom.
Actually, speakers and writers of English are the ones who decide how the English language works. Dictionary writers are not authorities, and their job is actually to represent the language as used by the speakers in the most accurate and correct way possible. Languages evolve as those who speak and write them change how they speak and write them, and dictionaries are to reflect this reality, not force it.
That's why the acceptance of the odd syntax of allowing singular possessive to drop the s after the apostrophe is often referred to as "recent", because dictionaries are noticing its usage. Oxford, in that link, says exception is occasionally made especially for organization names, and that it is best to check with the organization on how they spell it - because, again, Oxford is just trying to reflect the reality of an evolving language, and not act as an authority. And since s's is pronounced as such (Thomas's cheese as "Thomasis cheese", not just "Thomas cheese"), Oxford is quite clear in that link that you should indeed spell it correctly: Thomas's cheese.
Can I get a boom?
You sir have earned your boom with flying colours ;)
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All languages are constantly changing. Thousands of people have adopted the apostrophe after s and no s after. I have asked Ako about other bizarre English rules, like using "was" or "were" in different sentences; "I wish I was an astronaut"/"I wish I were an astronaut". Ako said "were" would be more correct but "was" is correct too. Why can't Ako just say the same about apostrophe usage? I don't know, niggas. Ako is a weird landlubber, yarrr.
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And Ako moved this thread from the Staff Board to Off-Topic because he wants to publicly shame me and break my feelings.
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yarr, I already owned you. Oxford backed up my case.
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someone can lock this topic. nothing else to debate here.
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60% percent of that should be me getting owned my the unfinished azghath
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"A more recent one" probably means lazy internet losers using it has made it so commonplace it is quasi-acceptable now. Possessive is 's. There is no random rule that says if a name ends in s to randomly drop the 's.
We were taught that rule in school here
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According to the American Psychological Association (APA) which dictates the most commonly used format (APA Style) for writing on the collegiate level in the US, the only time in which a singular possessive noun utilizes (-s') as opposed to the standard (-s's) is when the singular possessive noun has a silent s, such as Descartes' or Vacouleurs'. There are two(2) exceptions, the traditional names Jesus and Moses, but who cares about them anyways.
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According to the American Psychological Association (APA) which dictates the most commonly used format (APA Style) for writing on the collegiate level in the US, the only time in which a singular possessive noun utilizes (-s') as opposed to the standard (-s's) is when the singular possessive noun has a silent s, such as Descartes' or Vacouleurs'. There are two(2) exceptions, the traditional names Jesus and Moses, but who cares about them anyways.
This falls in line with Oxford, which says it has to do with what is pronounced, not that both ways are equally valid. Good input, Air has been further owned.
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Congratulations, Airborne, you are now a grammar/spelling/usage police. Now please hand over your man card and cut off your testicles. =P
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Congratulations, Airborne, you are now a grammar/spelling/usage police. Now please hand over your man card and cut off your testicles. =P
False...Ako is the grammar slut and he corrected me because I said "Luis'". I made a post in staff board and lil akunt moved it here.
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Congratulations, Airborne, you are now a grammar/spelling/usage police. Now please hand over your man card and cut off your testicles. =P
False...Ako is the grammar slut and he corrected me because I said "Luis'". I made a post in staff board and lil akunt moved it here.
Very well then.
Congratulations, Ako, you are now a grammar/spelling/usage police. Now please hand over your man card and cut off your testicles. =P
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Congratulations, Airborne, you are now a grammar/spelling/usage police. Now please hand over your man card and cut off your testicles. =P
False...Ako is the grammar slut and he corrected me because I said "Luis'". I made a post in staff board and lil akunt moved it here.
Very well then.
Congratulations, Ako, you are now a grammar/spelling/usage police. Now please hand over your man card and cut off your testicles. =P
I am hereby plural Nazi and my ways are correct and are the only ways and the entire world must assimilate or die. However, I cherish all three of my testicles and shall not cut them off nor hand in my certified card.
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Congratulations, Airborne, you are now a grammar/spelling/usage police. Now please hand over your man card and cut off your testicles. =P
False...Ako is the grammar slut and he corrected me because I said "Luis'". I made a post in staff board and lil akunt moved it here.
Very well then.
Congratulations, Ako, you are now a grammar/spelling/usage police. Now please hand over your man card and cut off your testicles. =P
I am hereby plural Nazi and my ways are correct and are the only ways and the entire world must assimilate or die. However, I cherish all three of my testicles and shall not cut them off nor hand in my certified card.
I forgot that you don't have testicles... thanks for reminding me.
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I have to admit, I think this is the longest ever conversation about s' and s's that I have ever seen!
You guys might not have seen me in a while, but I am still here, I am watching you. >:)
~Becky
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"A more recent one" probably means lazy internet losers using it has made it so commonplace it is quasi-acceptable now. Possessive is 's. There is no random rule that says if a name ends in s to randomly drop the 's.
Actually, most "lazy internet losers" don't use apostrophes at all, and when they do, they would do it correctly. And even if that is not the case, and you are correct, it still doesn't really matter why both ways are considered correct, the fact remains that you have, in fact, just been owned. =D
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Akunt: -1
Air: 70
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"A more recent one" probably means lazy internet losers using it has made it so commonplace it is quasi-acceptable now. Possessive is 's. There is no random rule that says if a name ends in s to randomly drop the 's.
Actually, most "lazy internet losers" don't use apostrophes at all, and when they do, they would do it correctly. And even if that is not the case, and you are correct, it still doesn't really matter why both ways are considered correct, the fact remains that you have, in fact, just been owned. =D
Ehh, Oxford corrected my lazy internet losers guess when it said it has more to do with organizations using strange syntax for their own proper names. Again, both ways are NOT considered correct in general usage, only that there are a few rare exceptions. Didn't you read the link or what Witch said? Why are you saying I got owned?
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"A more recent one" probably means lazy internet losers using it has made it so commonplace it is quasi-acceptable now. Possessive is 's. There is no random rule that says if a name ends in s to randomly drop the 's.
Actually, most "lazy internet losers" don't use apostrophes at all, and when they do, they would do it correctly. And even if that is not the case, and you are correct, it still doesn't really matter why both ways are considered correct, the fact remains that you have, in fact, just been owned. =D
Ehh, Oxford corrected my lazy internet losers guess when it said it has more to do with organizations using strange syntax for their own proper names. Again, both ways are NOT considered correct in general usage, only that there are a few rare exceptions. Didn't you read the link or what Witch said? Why are you saying I got owned?
Because simpletons and children will argue their point to no end, regardless of any amount of evidence to the contrary presented to them. YES, I BASICALLY CALLED MOST OF YOU RETARDED KIDS.
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ye but half of vc is anyway.
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"A more recent one" probably means lazy internet losers using it has made it so commonplace it is quasi-acceptable now. Possessive is 's. There is no random rule that says if a name ends in s to randomly drop the 's.
Actually, most "lazy internet losers" don't use apostrophes at all, and when they do, they would do it correctly. And even if that is not the case, and you are correct, it still doesn't really matter why both ways are considered correct, the fact remains that you have, in fact, just been owned. =D
Ehh, Oxford corrected my lazy internet losers guess when it said it has more to do with organizations using strange syntax for their own proper names. Again, both ways are NOT considered correct in general usage, only that there are a few rare exceptions. Didn't you read the link or what Witch said? Why are you saying I got owned?
Because simpletons and children will argue their point to no end, regardless of any amount of evidence to the contrary presented to them. YES, I BASICALLY CALLED MOST OF YOU RETARDED KIDS.
no u
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Airborne, I am not taking sides, but isn't Akomine one of the four owners of the server? So that gives him the privilege to create, and change rules with the vote of the other three owners. Face it, in VC. Akomine is god! So I suggest a change of rules : P
Just saying, even though the traditional ways of changing stuff is by the vote of the parliament and the staff, Akomine still has authority to change stuff.
I probably made a huge mistake in saying that, but I will just blame Obama for what happens.
:)
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blame luisbama
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Airborne, I am not taking sides, but isn't Akomine one of the four owners of the server? So that gives him the privilege to create, and change rules with the vote of the other three owners. Face it, in VC. Akomine is god! So I suggest a change of rules : P
Just saying, even though the traditional ways of changing stuff is by the vote of the parliament and the staff, Akomine still has authority to change stuff.
I probably made a huge mistake in saying that, but I will just blame Obama for what happens.
:)
Wat?
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I remember seeing the form without the 2nd s before the Internet made people lazy at spelling. I thought that was normal. Maybe there is some cultural norms on the use of ...s's vs ...s' that varies per country.
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I was taught s' at school
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I was taught s' at school
I was taught 's for names. Besides, you always say your English teacher is terrible ;)
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I was taught s' at school
I was taught 's for names. Besides, you always say your English teacher is terrible ;)
In primary school, nerd. And it was for names. so both
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I was taught s' at school
I was taught 's for names. Besides, you always say your English teacher is terrible ;)
In primary school, nerd. And it was for names. so both
Then again, this is Britain. Nobody is taught the same due to stupid government people who need firing/shooting.
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I was taught s' at school
I was taught 's for names. Besides, you always say your English teacher is terrible ;)
In primary school, nerd. And it was for names. so both
Then again, this is Britain. Nobody is taught the same due to stupid government people who need firing/shooting.
like u
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"A more recent one" probably means lazy internet losers using it has made it so commonplace it is quasi-acceptable now. Possessive is 's. There is no random rule that says if a name ends in s to randomly drop the 's.
Actually, most "lazy internet losers" don't use apostrophes at all, and when they do, they would do it correctly. And even if that is not the case, and you are correct, it still doesn't really matter why both ways are considered correct, the fact remains that you have, in fact, just been owned. =D
Ehh, Oxford corrected my lazy internet losers guess when it said it has more to do with organizations using strange syntax for their own proper names. Again, both ways are NOT considered correct in general usage, only that there are a few rare exceptions. Didn't you read the link or what Witch said? Why are you saying I got owned?
Because simpletons and children will argue their point to no end, regardless of any amount of evidence to the contrary presented to them. YES, I BASICALLY CALLED MOST OF YOU RETARDED KIDS.
no u
and? we all knew that, feg.