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VillageCraft Boards => Parliament | Suggestions => Topic started by: hobbes13 on 26 January 2018, 05:58:04 PM

Title: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: hobbes13 on 26 January 2018, 05:58:04 PM
This plugin will a second new currency along with the current one we have. It will not replace the currency we have. We can exchange between the two and the value will fluctuate with demand. @wolffman17 suggested the plugin and here is the link to the plugin if you want to do further research: https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/bitcoin.52085/
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Yvette on 26 January 2018, 06:27:57 PM
Bitcoin mod is terrible. It will end up being a buggy disaster that only 2 or 3 people know how to use, and they will use it to obtain extreme wealth. I don't see the point in it.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Lividup64 on 26 January 2018, 06:45:27 PM
This is easy to use. You buy bitcoins, you watch them fluxuate. What's the issue? It will add some spice to VC.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Shensley on 26 January 2018, 06:45:58 PM
That was a very quick adding of a vote, ima wait for others to say their opinions before I vote
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Lividup64 on 27 January 2018, 10:36:33 AM
Bitcoin mod is terrible. It will end up being a buggy disaster that only 2 or 3 people know how to use, and they will use it to obtain extreme wealth. I don't see the point in it.

Buggy how
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Akomine on 27 January 2018, 02:40:12 PM
That was a very quick adding of a vote, ima wait for others to say their opinions before I vote

This isn't an official binding parliament vote, where we've got staff committed to adding the idea. Think of this more like an exploratory vote to see support. This is good information that can lead us to do a binding vote.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Yvette on 27 January 2018, 03:10:30 PM
That was a very quick adding of a vote, ima wait for others to say their opinions before I vote

This isn't an official binding parliament vote, where we've got staff committed to adding the idea. Think of this more like an exploratory vote to see support. This is good information that can lead us to do a binding vote.
well if the vote goes 8 - 3 is it safe to say we dont want this on vc? lol
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Akomine on 27 January 2018, 04:01:25 PM
Pretty good indication
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Lividup64 on 27 January 2018, 04:09:11 PM
No one even argued against this convincingly.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Akomine on 27 January 2018, 06:46:49 PM
No one even argued against this convincingly.

There has been so little information on either side shared.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Lividup64 on 28 January 2018, 05:29:07 AM
The plugin allows for players to invest in bitcoins whose value will fluctuate daily.  The value of them and fluctuations can be set so it's high risk and not easy money. The no people have been unfairly dishonest by saying it will be buggy and that no one will be able to use it. Also, this will add some flavour to vc stale economy.  Those who say that vc is not an economy server whilst simultaneously farming pumpkins for money are huge hypocrites. 
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: OctoGamer on 28 January 2018, 01:58:54 PM
The plugin allows for players to invest in bitcoins whose value will fluctuate daily.  The value of them and fluctuations can be set so it's high risk and not easy money. The no people have been unfairly dishonest by saying it will be buggy and that no one will be able to use it. Also, this will add some flavour to vc stale economy.  Those who say that vc is not an economy server whilst simultaneously farming pumpkins for money are huge hypocrites.
pumpkin farms not even good anymore tbh
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Yvette on 28 January 2018, 02:46:41 PM
The plugin allows for players to invest in bitcoins whose value will fluctuate daily.  The value of them and fluctuations can be set so it's high risk and not easy money. The no people have been unfairly dishonest by saying it will be buggy and that no one will be able to use it. Also, this will add some flavour to vc stale economy.  Those who say that vc is not an economy server whilst simultaneously farming pumpkins for money are huge hypocrites.
Yet only 3 people - You, ashur and scott - have any real knowledge of the fluctuations and how to make money off it. Sorry that I'm not in favour of a plugin that will make 3 people jump to the top of /baltop without an ounce of work.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Lividup64 on 28 January 2018, 02:49:52 PM
The plugin allows for players to invest in bitcoins whose value will fluctuate daily.  The value of them and fluctuations can be set so it's high risk and not easy money. The no people have been unfairly dishonest by saying it will be buggy and that no one will be able to use it. Also, this will add some flavour to vc stale economy.  Those who say that vc is not an economy server whilst simultaneously farming pumpkins for money are huge hypocrites.
Yet only 3 people - You, ashur and scott - have any real knowledge of the fluctuations and how to make money off it. Sorry that I'm not in favour of a plugin that will make 3 people jump to the top of /baltop without an ounce of work.

That's not true. This is a very simple concept where the fluctuations are random on VC. We won't have any knowledge of how to make money off of it than any one else.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Yvette on 28 January 2018, 02:53:21 PM
The plugin allows for players to invest in bitcoins whose value will fluctuate daily.  The value of them and fluctuations can be set so it's high risk and not easy money. The no people have been unfairly dishonest by saying it will be buggy and that no one will be able to use it. Also, this will add some flavour to vc stale economy.  Those who say that vc is not an economy server whilst simultaneously farming pumpkins for money are huge hypocrites.
Yet only 3 people - You, ashur and scott - have any real knowledge of the fluctuations and how to make money off it. Sorry that I'm not in favour of a plugin that will make 3 people jump to the top of /baltop without an ounce of work.

That's not true. This is a very simple concept where the fluctuations are random on VC. We won't have any knowledge of how to make money off of it than any one else.
Sorry, but I really don't believe that. Ashur and Scott both deal in bitcoins irl but you're going to try to convince us they wont just use this plugin to boost themselves to baltop?
I can't wait until we have our first billionaire that's done nothing except manipulate a plugin we added. It'll be great.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Lividup64 on 28 January 2018, 03:05:42 PM
The plugin allows for players to invest in bitcoins whose value will fluctuate daily.  The value of them and fluctuations can be set so it's high risk and not easy money. The no people have been unfairly dishonest by saying it will be buggy and that no one will be able to use it. Also, this will add some flavour to vc stale economy.  Those who say that vc is not an economy server whilst simultaneously farming pumpkins for money are huge hypocrites.
Yet only 3 people - You, ashur and scott - have any real knowledge of the fluctuations and how to make money off it. Sorry that I'm not in favour of a plugin that will make 3 people jump to the top of /baltop without an ounce of work.

That's not true. This is a very simple concept where the fluctuations are random on VC. We won't have any knowledge of how to make money off of it than any one else.
Sorry, but I really don't believe that. Ashur and Scott both deal in bitcoins irl but you're going to try to convince us they wont just use this plugin to boost themselves to baltop?
I can't wait until we have our first billionaire that's done nothing except manipulate a plugin we added. It'll be great.

This is a very simple plugin. You can't bring beliefs to a debate of facts.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Akomine on 28 January 2018, 10:14:55 PM
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/bitcoin.52085/

The entire plugin's operation is available here.

There are 3 ways to obtain bitcoins:
-trade
-luck out when the value goes up (random, once per day, can go down)
-mine (solve a puzzle)

It's all configurable, there's no complaints of it being a buggy mess in the comments, and there is essentially no advantage that irl bitcoin traders can have. This doesn't operate like real bitcoin. This essentially adds a stock market with a single stock.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Yvette on 29 January 2018, 03:11:14 PM
I still don't see any good reason to add it. All it will do is devalue currency even further on VC when someone gets lucky, and turns 1 million into 60 million overnight by pure luck. We already have enough ways to create wealth with little effort, we don't need another one that exacerbates the problem.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Akomine on 29 January 2018, 11:16:58 PM
I still don't see any good reason to add it. All it will do is devalue currency even further on VC when someone gets lucky, and turns 1 million into 60 million overnight by pure luck. We already have enough ways to create wealth with little effort, we don't need another one that exacerbates the problem.

Since we can control the limits of the plugin, we could of course prevent it from suddenly going up 60x in value overnight. Furthermore, and just to be clear, it can equally remove a lot of value since it can go down too.

The reason to add it would be a little side game of stocks. The VC economy isn't the real economy. Rich people on VC aren't rich at the expense of everyone else like is usually the case in real life. VC barely has an economic class system. The prices of blocks and food don't change. Nobody will be impoverished overnight (unless they lose it all on bitcoin lol).

Lastly, because everyone, regardless of bank balance, can mine bitcoin (solve a puzzle), everyone has the opportunity to participate. It's a time sink of its own, so you'll be doing it instead of digging for diamonds or something. It's certainly more of a time sink than afking at an autofarm.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: iron_shadow_ on 30 January 2018, 06:39:20 AM
I Think we should re-do this vote. There isn’t an option to change and people might have voted against it at first and now have a different opinion (or visa versa)
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: luisc99 on 30 January 2018, 12:30:47 PM
You should be able to change your vote now. Sorry about that
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Shensley on 30 January 2018, 02:20:42 PM
Id be fine with it if we limit the amount it can multiply
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Lividup64 on 30 January 2018, 02:35:28 PM
I still believe that we should vote for this. Yvette's points have been debunked, and any further argument is just an argument against wealth creation, in which case, why not ban all types of farms on VC?
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Akomine on 30 January 2018, 08:59:25 PM
I still believe that we should vote for this. Yvette's points have been debunked, and any further argument is just an argument against wealth creation, in which case, why not ban all types of farms on VC?

Mmm, I mean there might be other legit arguments, they don't JUST have to be against wealth creation. I was just trying to get the facts straight.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: gerrit70 on 3 February 2018, 11:59:57 PM
Fucking Bitchcoin
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: Lividup64 on 4 February 2018, 04:24:46 PM
can we get this now
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: hobbes13 on 5 February 2018, 03:47:45 PM
Since no more votes are coming in, I locked the poll. More people voted 'yes' to bitcoin. Ill let staff decide since idk what Im supposed to do after this.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Plugin Vote
Post by: luisc99 on 5 February 2018, 05:50:04 PM
Since no more votes are coming in, I locked the poll. With more people voting 'yes' to bitcoin in a popular vote, by the rules of vc it can be implemented. @luisc99 if you can do the honors of having the plugin incorparated into vc.

This isn't an official binding parliament vote, where we've got staff committed to adding the idea. Think of this more like an exploratory vote to see support. This is good information that can lead us to do a binding vote.

We'll discuss it