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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: I liiiiiivvvveeeeee!!!!!!

« on: 19 July 2019, 11:11:51 PM »

Who are you again?

I could ask you the same

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Off-Topic Discussion / I liiiiiivvvveeeeee!!!!!!

« on: 19 July 2019, 09:56:10 PM »

Back from the dead motherfuckers.

So, the other day I was advertising my new server and I came upon this one server I played when I was like 13. (19 now) I joined and it was weird because there were like 12 people on and I remembered every one of them. And they remembered me. And what else was weird is that they all knew my deepest darkest secret from the depths of Reddit because I was retarded and used my Minecraft name as my Reddit alias when asking questions about how to amputate my tongue. Right, I've developed schizophrenia since I've known you guys. Good times. Just the same, I enjoyed the nostalgia trip. Felt like a dream. So I'm endeavoring to continue it by coming back to good ole VC, which I played even before that other one.

Now, you fuckers knew me when I was 11. I was a fucking cringy kid. So first I should say thank you for tolerating my shit. And thank you for not tolerating my shit on those occasions that my shit didn't need to be tolerated.

Secondly, what can I do for you? You guys already made me a developer when I was a kid who barely knew Java, but now I'm actually a decent programmer. You guys want a custom plugin? Server partnership? Talk to an old friend? All the same to me, I just want to get back into this.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: In light of the killing in Paris over a fucking cartoon of Muhammad (NSFW)

« on: 27 February 2015, 10:11:09 PM »

I think a summary of the argument for religion in this debate is that religion itself is harmless. Most religions don't say that we need to take violent actions against people who don't follow, and the few that do are wrong and are not harmless. An extremist Christian who violently punishes people who don't carry out the ten commandments is wrong of course, but the ten commandments themselves just tell us to not murder, not commit adultery, and not steal, not to kill people who do murder, commit adultery, and steal. Someone believing that something someone else does is wrong is harmless, but if they choose to become intolerant of that and act violently, in most cases that is their culture or the way that they were raised, and that is wrong.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Confirmed Air sex change operation 2015

« on: 24 February 2015, 10:12:12 PM »

[Morgan Freeman Voice] I wish I could say that this news surprised me, I really wish I could. However I cannot... I cannot.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: In light of the killing in Paris over a fucking cartoon of Muhammad (NSFW)

« on: 24 February 2015, 10:10:45 PM »

This is coming from someone who thinks religion is far more dangerous than helpful so I understand why people would post this, people were murdered over a satirical newspaper goddamnit, and everybody is freaking pissed. I also understand why Akomine has such strong feelings about this topic because like the rest of us, we're going to live our entire lives seeing tragedy after tragedy, people having their lives taken from them all because of religion. It's disturbing.

This is not the first tragedy religion has caused, and far from the last. Islam, specifically, is going to cause many many many more in the years to come. Just watch.

I don't think they want us to hate muslims, I think they are just strong adherents to their book and did as it commanded. We shouldn't hate all muslims just for being muslim, of course.

And you're right and I'm glad you understand.

I get that you disagree with religion, but there's no need to be disrespectful. Slamming someone's beliefs which they've held dear is just being a dick. In some cases religion helps people through their lives, it provides a moral compass and it takes the stress off of people's heads. Religion helps people cope with the world. I'm not saying that you can't say whatever you want, but what you are saying is extremely one sided.

Yes, there is a need to be disrespectful of religion. It is able to get people to fucking slaughter writers - I don't just disrespect that, I have complete contempt. If your religious beliefs tell you to do horrid crimes, overlook horrid crimes, or otherwise defend a belief system that causes horrid crimes, I don't care how "dear" they are to you, I am going to slam those beliefs for being asinine and dangerous.

Remember, I hate religion, not the person who holds that religion. Yes I know it can help people in their lives, help relieve stress. However, no, it does not provide a moral compass. Killing innocent people as a martyr is not a MORAL action. Slavery is not a moral thing. The hatred of homosexuals is not moral. The oppression of women is not moral. Punishing atheists with death is not moral. Religious books are not moral, and it bothers me that people try to say they are.

Do you really think religion is a moral guide?

I'm back, everyone. =P Someone please remind me which people I hate, because I forgot.

Anyways, it depends really. I don't think that Islam is much of a moral guide because it tells them to kill people, treat women unfairly and punish them severely for breaking pointless rules, but what about the ten commandments? Other religions tell people not to steal, kill, or commit adultery, and many also include a respect for the natural world. I think those are good morals set by religion.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Air's wife

« on: 23 November 2014, 10:47:45 PM »

Where's Air's husband? Wait... Does that thing have a penis somewhere buried under all the fat?

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: 85% of players who have visited our server.

« on: 23 November 2014, 10:43:41 PM »

Wow. Something about those videos just makes me want to kill myself. I'm not sure if its because I'm realizing how terrible the world I live in is, or if its because I'm too scared to leave my house now that I've seen what kind of thugs this world contains. =P

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: RIP Minecraft?

« on: 13 October 2014, 11:39:13 AM »

Well, I don't think that its the end because why the hell would they buy it for so much money just to let it die? I think that the very best thing that can happen, and I think its quite likely, is that they will simply maintain it but they'll be too busy with their phones that don't sell to actually update it. I hate updates.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: My opinion on Microsoft...

« on: 13 October 2014, 11:35:31 AM »

I don't think Microsoft are a bunch of immature douchebags like Mojang, but I also fear what might happen from here. I'm more concerned about Bukkit though, its basically dead just in time for the finish of my Halo plugin. I don't plan on trying to change 5000 lines of code from Bukkit's API to Minecraft's modding API which may or may not exist in the next 5 years. I think the lesson is that when you create something like Bukkit with the purpose of allowing server owners to do great things with their server for free, you don't sell it to some bastards who are going to pretend to support it while they're actually letting it die.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Totally relevant be my friend App

« on: 13 October 2014, 12:02:22 AM »

14. Did you realise I misspelt narcissitic? No shit. There is a red line under it. And you spelled it wrong again dumbfuck.

I never said I was spelling it correctly, nor did you seem to pick up on "realise" or, "misspelt".

You really don't need to be a brat about everything.

I don't watch "pr0n", but I know that SirMangler likes gay porn.

Well I could only expect you to know so much about it.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize this topic was entirely serious. I'll remember not to be a brat while posting here. =P

EDIT: Also,  my guess about your gay porn watching was just an extremely educated inference.

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General Discussion / Re: ...

« on: 2 October 2014, 09:52:17 PM »

Yes. I could not agree more. Yes... Yes... *tear rolls down cheek*

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Totally relevant be my friend App

« on: 2 October 2014, 09:45:37 PM »

1. What's SirManglers favourite shade of blue? I don't know.
2. How do you spell SirMangler in 3 other countrys? I don't know.
3. What question should go here? "How many times a day does SirMangler masturbate to gay porn?"
4. Complete this sentance: I like cheese. I like cheese.
5. Do you think I like you? No.
6. On paragraph six page 12, what did SirMangler say to the blue goblin? I have no idea.
7. No seriously, do you seriously think I like you? Nope.
8. Does this deserve to be in General Discussion? Nope.
9. What's your favourite pr0n website? I don't watch "pr0n", but I know that SirMangler likes gay porn.
10. Does this make my butt look fat? No, your butt is simply fat. I didn't look on purpose to see that, but its so fat that it covers 99% of everyone in the world's vision. The other 1% is generally just squiggly lines going across their vision.
11. What's the meaning of life? The meaning of life is living life without questioning its meaning.
12. Do you think SirMangler thinks that these are too Nazitistic? Yes.
13. Who are you? I'M BATMAN
14. Did you realise I misspelt narcissitic? No shit. There is a red line under it. And you spelled it wrong again dumbfuck.
15. What eye colour are you? [DATA EXPUNGED]
16. Do you think the Holocaust was right? Of course not.
17. Do you actually want to be my friend? Hell no.
18. What God do you follow? Take a guess.
19. Favourite Jesus picture? Don't have one.
20. Is 20 questions enough? Yes.
21. The answer to 22 is yes. Okay? How am I supposed to answer this question? Its not even a question. Its advise.
22. Is 21 lying? PARADOX.
23. Do you think you have answered correctly so far? No.
24. Did you study? No.
25. Do you think just because your staff you get to be my friend anyway? you're* dumbass...
26. If not staff, what chance do you get? Everyone knows SirMangler loiters around staff for his personal gain and not because he actually likes them. [REDACTED]
27. I was being sarcastic. Okay.
28. Was 27 a question? No.
29. What's your IQ Level? [DATA EXPUNGED]
30. Are you already my friend? Thankfully, no.
31. Do you want to be my best friend? No.
33. Did you notice I left out 32? Yes.
34. Custom Question and Answer: Do I have to write a question here? Yes.

Thankyous pleases.


I made this because I was bored and I am only looking forward to people being smartasses.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: favorite pop tart flavor?

« on: 18 July 2014, 08:23:14 PM »

Blueberry. Ftw. Anyone who does not agree, I shall skin you alive with my fingernails, make a purse out of your pelt, give it to your mom, tear your intestines out, make a belt out of them, beat you with it, tear your remaining internal organs out and show them to your dying eyes, then rip your head off and eat it.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: This made me sad :(

« on: 16 July 2014, 10:45:36 PM »

And also, when I ask for respect for my religion, that was really directed more towards Airbo and all the shit I see here from him, and even though I have not proved that my God is alive, and again I cannot prove he is, I believe that I have proved that it is more than just a belief in random magic, and for that it does at least deserve to not be insulted and mocked all over VC forums for no apparent reason.

Except for rare unique circumstances, not he nor you nor anyone else will be censored, sorry.

I'm not exactly asking for a new rule or actual staff-enforced censorship, that would be dumb because this is VC, a magical place where anyone can say whatever the hell they want. =P I'm just trying to prove the point that theism, or more specifically Christianity, is not the belief random magic and I'm hoping for the community to decide for themselves to keep the mocking and hate to themselves a bit.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: This made me sad :(

« on: 16 July 2014, 07:35:16 PM »

Guys, I'm sorry I've been so hostile. I guess I got a bit too pissed when I saw all the hateful replies towards Christianity that followed this thread. I'm done reflecting that hate now, but please, have a little respect for my religion and try to keep the hate to yourself a little. If you would like to continue this debate, I am willing to do that in a more friendly manner now. =)

I assure you my hate is not towards you. I refuse to respect your religion, I only respect your right to hold any idea/belief/thought/association that you please. Furthermore, I will protect your right to speak freely on the VC network (with the exception of harassment or bullying). Respect must be earned, not demanded.

I'm happy to continue the debate. I'm also happy to provide you with proper academic sources that prove the science we talk about. But please do not put words in my/our mouth. I'd also like to take a moment to explain to you what atheism is and what it isn't, since you seem to be a bit confused, if you're interested.

I'm even more happy to announce that air's mom has been kidnapped and forced offered to join my dungeon as cook. She will be serving refried beans made of the feces of the other slaves willing dungeon volunteers.

And also, when I ask for respect for my religion, that was really directed more towards Airbo and all the shit I see here from him, and even though I have not proved that my God is alive, and again I cannot prove he is, I believe that I have proved that it is more than just a belief in random magic, and for that it does at least deserve to not be insulted and mocked all over VC forums for no apparent reason.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: This made me sad :(

« on: 16 July 2014, 07:31:24 PM »

Guys, I'm sorry I've been so hostile. I guess I got a bit too pissed when I saw all the hateful replies towards Christianity that followed this thread. I'm done reflecting that hate now, but please, have a little respect for my religion and try to keep the hate to yourself a little. If you would like to continue this debate, I am willing to do that in a more friendly manner now. =)

I assure you my hate is not towards you. I refuse to respect your religion, I only respect your right to hold any idea/belief/thought/association that you please. Furthermore, I will protect your right to speak freely on the VC network (with the exception of harassment or bullying). Respect must be earned, not demanded.

I'm happy to continue the debate. I'm also happy to provide you with proper academic sources that prove the science we talk about. But please do not put words in my/our mouth. I'd also like to take a moment to explain to you what atheism is and what it isn't, since you seem to be a bit confused, if you're interested.

I'm even more happy to announce that air's mom has been kidnapped and forced offered to join my dungeon as cook. She will be serving refried beans made of the feces of the other slaves willing dungeon volunteers.

That's great! Can I haz some refried beans?

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: This made me sad :(

« on: 16 July 2014, 04:33:00 PM »

Guys, I'm sorry I've been so hostile. I guess I got a bit too pissed when I saw all the hateful replies towards Christianity that followed this thread. I'm done reflecting that hate now, but please, have a little respect for my religion and try to keep the hate to yourself a little. If you would like to continue this debate, I am willing to do that in a more friendly manner now. =)

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: This made me sad :(

« on: 15 July 2014, 11:16:35 PM »

Fossils prove evolution.

Correct.

They do not prove that humans and every other species evolved from one small organism from space.

Correct, we do not have a fossil of a space creature. I have no idea what this has to do with anything.

I never said evolution was invalid. I said your proof is invalid for proving that humans and many other species of Earth evolved from a small organism from space.

When did I ever claim this? None of us here did. Why are you saying we did? WHAT?

I didn't say evolution is supposed to explain the origins of the universe.

WHAT THE HELL? The big bang has fucking nothing to do with evolution, and yet look at what you said:

Fossils don't prove shit. They prove that organisms do evolve over time, but not the evolution theory. I believe that a creature can become more advanced and evolve over time, that doesn't mean that humans started with some tiny life form that's presence still isn't explained, then over millions of years magically evolved into a million species. Again, the evolution theory is supposed to explain how a random explosion can create complex life, and it doesn't really explain that unless the starting organism was incredibly simple, to simple to evolve or even survive.

You clearly lack an understanding of both concepts. I'm not trying to be rude by saying this, I'm just trying to point out that you need to increase you knowledge in these areas so you don't make these mistakes.

I said its supposed to explain how a complex organism with organ systems to support its life, organs that function to serve countless purposes for countless species, each one with thousands of cells with their own structure and DNA more complicated than any written code, could occur from the creation of a universe that was not created by an intelligent being. And really, evolution does an extremely shitty job at explaining that.

So because it is hard for you to comprehend the sheer scale of evolution, you just revert to "oh god must have done it"? Pretty lame. Often what religious people do though, so not unexpected.

Evolution does an excellent job of explaining how one population can change over time. Given a LOT of time, the changes can be drastic. Given a LOT LOT LOT of time, an organism's evolutionary tree can go on to become many new species, including ones much, much different. This includes an aquatic creature serving as the ancestor to modern great apes (such as humans). Just because something is very complex does not mean it requires a deity.

Interestingly enough, evolution is very imperfect. Humans have bad backs because we are unusual among great apes in that we stand upright, and yet the evolution of our backs is not up to snuff. Giraffes have incredibly long laryngeal nerves that go from their brain, all the way down their neck and then back up again to their larynx, because they evolved to have very long necks but evolution does not have an end goal or work perfectly. The result is an extremely inefficient nerve spanning metres instead of centimetres. Pretty poorly designed there, god.

If your god designed it, why did he do such a bad job?

Also, since you can't prove your god, why do you bother believing in him? Why not another god? Why not no god? Please consider the Flying Spaghetti Monster, for he is so noodly and delicious.

When did I ever claim this? None of us here did. Why are you saying we did? WHAT?

This includes an aquatic creature serving as the ancestor to modern great apes (such as humans). Just because something is very complex does not mean it requires a deity.

I understand that the next thing I said did include the big bang theory, but I wasn't pointing my focus towards it, just using one of the atheist examples of how the universe was created. I was saying that evolution is supposed to explain how organisms can become what they are today from the start of the universe, if the universe was not created by an intelligent being. It does terrible at explaining that because that would mean the starting organism would have to be extremely simple, too simple to survive of evolve. I do not say that God must have done it because I cannot comprehend evolution, but because it simply does not add up. Here's a shitty example, but you get the point: If giraffes have long necks so that they can eat from the top of tall trees and plants, how did they survive before evolving into that? That's a bad example because a giraffe probably could survive without its long neck, but what about the many other organisms that inherit essential traits to help them survive in their environment that they simply could not live without? Is it because they started in another environment? If so, that would mean the change would have had to occur within a day, or they would have had to have started developing a long neck before they ever even needed to eat from a tall tree.

Giraffes have incredibly long laryngeal nerves that go from their brain, all the way down their neck and then back up again to their larynx, because they evolved to have very long necks but evolution does not have an end goal or work perfectly. The result is an extremely inefficient nerve spanning metres instead of centimetres. Pretty poorly designed there, god.

Maybe God doesn't want all animals to be super animals? But why the hell would a tiny change that occurs over millions of years have flaws? It seems like a process that takes so long and works so slowly should be more precise.

Also, since you can't prove your god, why do you bother believing in him?

Ako, please just take the time to read this. =P

You can't prove evolution. You can't prove the big bang theory. You can give reasons to believe it, just as I can give reasons to believe in God, but you cannot prove it. No theory for how we got here has ever been proven. Why not another god? The other religions don't make sense to me. They offer no explanation for why we live in a world with sin, why their god does not show himself and make himself well known, or a reason why their god hasn't killed us all because of our imperfections. The Bible includes explanation for all of that.
We live on one of millions of planets that just happens to be perfect for supporting life. We only find life where we are, and we only find intelligent lives in ourselves. When we find something that is not immediately explained and appears to have structure and design, like the Stonehenge, we begin to wonder what intelligent life has created it. Now we see our planet, perfect for supporting life, with plants that bear fruit for us and streams that provide water for us. When we look close enough at our own hands, we see millions of cells, each one with DNA more complicated than any written code or language. And now we think it came from an explosion. We know we got here somehow and we have many ideas, but really the only difference between atheism and theism is the difference between thinking we, a species that is complex beyond even our own understanding, (mostly referring to our lack of ability to create intelligence) either came from intelligence or random explosions. There are obviously things that we cannot see, such as our own sentience. We are not simply moving parts, we can actually feel and experience, and we assume the ones around us do too. That cannot be explained by science, and science cannot prove that it must be accompanied by a body, nor that its power or knowledge should be limited. Science therefore cannot disprove God, and although many of us do not believe because we do not see it, even logic cannot defy a God. That is why I choose to believe.

Also, Ako, I found a bug in my Halo plugin... You may not want to install it yet. I'm working on a fix. =)

First of all, make no mistake, evolution is proven. There's an overwhelming amount of evidence for it but you refuse to accept this.

I understand that the next thing I said did include the big bang theory, but I wasn't pointing my focus towards it, just using one of the atheist examples of how the universe was created.

Stop using that word, it doesn't mean what you think it means.

Maybe God doesn't want all animals to be super animals? But why the hell would a tiny change that occurs over millions of years have flaws? It seems like a process that takes so long and works so slowly should be more precise.

Because there isn't an intelligent being guiding the process. We are all born with an appendix, an organ that serves no purpose and can cause problems in a lot of people. It lost its function through evolution, why would god give us a useless organ, huh? We are all still evolving, slowly correcting flaws. That's why the appendix lost its use over the course of time, whatever its function was, another organ took over it and eventually we won't have an appendix. How do you explain this? God took our appendix because he didn't want us to be super humans?

I was saying that evolution is supposed to explain how organisms can become what they are today from the start of the universe, if the universe was not created by an intelligent being. It does terrible at explaining that because that would mean the starting organism would have to be extremely simple, too simple to survive of evolve.

Why do you keep saying this? No it doesn't, you already proved that your knowledge about evolution is horrible so why do you keep saying this? It is so hypocritical, and the fact that you think the bible makes more sense than the theory of evolution, makes it even more hypocritical, almost to the point of hilarity. There's so much research focusing on the last universal ancestor, a metric niggerload more than a single 1600 page book (the bible) that was written by the fucking complete opposite of a scientist, but you still dare to say Christianity does a better job at explaining all living organisms. And that's just for the last universal ancestor, there's a fuckton more about evolution as a whole. 

You can't prove evolution. You can't prove the big bang theory. You can give reasons to believe it, just as I can give reasons to believe in God, but you cannot prove it. No theory for how we got here has ever been proven. Why not another god? The other religions don't make sense to me. They offer no explanation for why we live in a world with sin, why their god does not show himself and make himself well known, or a reason why their god hasn't killed us all because of our imperfections. The Bible includes explanation for all of that.

I think Muslims and Jews would disagree with you, what do you know about other religions? Have you ever read the Quran? Fuck, have you ever read your own bible cover to cover? Or do you just blindly believe because that's the impression I am getting. You aren't well read in scientific theories like evolution or the big bang (as you already proved to us), yet you feel the right to say the bible explains it better.

why their god does not show himself and make himself well known, or a reason why their god hasn't killed us all because of our imperfections. The Bible includes explanation for all of that.

Oh, I see, the bible explains the same magical bullshit it is about, impressive.

There are obviously things that we cannot see, such as our own sentience. We are not simply moving parts, we can actually feel and experience, and we assume the ones around us do too. That cannot be explained by science, and science cannot prove that it must be accompanied by a body, nor that its power or knowledge should be limited.

What? Have you ever heard of neuroscience?
"and science cannot prove that it must be accompanied by a body, nor that its power or knowledge should be limited." Please, what?! Your brain is responsible for all of that, is your brain not part of the body? Have you ever heard of the fucking limbic system, man? Or is that just more random science bullshit that the bible explains better? I don't think you are remotely aware of most medical research and you just think it isn't explained. I'm done with dis shit, enjoy Jesus.

You are pretty fucking smart, just use the immense amount of knowledge on the internet to learn more about all this shit.

What is this evidence that proves evolution? Fossils, then what? What actually proves that we have evolved from a much smaller organism? One organ in our bodies doesn't explain it. As I've said, I do believe that a creature can evolve, and I have no doubt that humans have changed. I don't believe that Earth is only a few thousand years old, the Bible doesn't say anything to suggest that.

I'm pretty sure I know what the word atheist means. Its an alias for dumbass.

Don't just state that Christianity doesn't explain anything. Explain the flaws in it, and give me a chance to respond. You may as well just say "I am right. You are wrong."

I know enough. I get the basic idea behind all of them, and the one that makes most sense to me besides Christianity is Judaism, but I don't believe that because the book of Isaiah in the Bible actually predicted Jesus as the Messiah, included many poems about it as if it were the past, even though it was written 600 years before. May I ask, have you read the Bible? Have you read even 100 pages of this "metric niggerload" of research you mentioned?

Neurology isn't that advanced, there is still so much about ourselves that we don't understand. Of course our intelligence and thinking is from our brain, but all that explains is why we are advanced organic robots. It doesn't explain how we actually experience what we see, how our thinking is more than just signals in our brain. We are more than just intelligence.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: This made me sad :(

« on: 15 July 2014, 09:31:25 PM »

Fossils prove evolution.

Correct.

They do not prove that humans and every other species evolved from one small organism from space.

Correct, we do not have a fossil of a space creature. I have no idea what this has to do with anything.

I never said evolution was invalid. I said your proof is invalid for proving that humans and many other species of Earth evolved from a small organism from space.

When did I ever claim this? None of us here did. Why are you saying we did? WHAT?

I didn't say evolution is supposed to explain the origins of the universe.

WHAT THE HELL? The big bang has fucking nothing to do with evolution, and yet look at what you said:

Fossils don't prove shit. They prove that organisms do evolve over time, but not the evolution theory. I believe that a creature can become more advanced and evolve over time, that doesn't mean that humans started with some tiny life form that's presence still isn't explained, then over millions of years magically evolved into a million species. Again, the evolution theory is supposed to explain how a random explosion can create complex life, and it doesn't really explain that unless the starting organism was incredibly simple, to simple to evolve or even survive.

You clearly lack an understanding of both concepts. I'm not trying to be rude by saying this, I'm just trying to point out that you need to increase you knowledge in these areas so you don't make these mistakes.

I said its supposed to explain how a complex organism with organ systems to support its life, organs that function to serve countless purposes for countless species, each one with thousands of cells with their own structure and DNA more complicated than any written code, could occur from the creation of a universe that was not created by an intelligent being. And really, evolution does an extremely shitty job at explaining that.

So because it is hard for you to comprehend the sheer scale of evolution, you just revert to "oh god must have done it"? Pretty lame. Often what religious people do though, so not unexpected.

Evolution does an excellent job of explaining how one population can change over time. Given a LOT of time, the changes can be drastic. Given a LOT LOT LOT of time, an organism's evolutionary tree can go on to become many new species, including ones much, much different. This includes an aquatic creature serving as the ancestor to modern great apes (such as humans). Just because something is very complex does not mean it requires a deity.

Interestingly enough, evolution is very imperfect. Humans have bad backs because we are unusual among great apes in that we stand upright, and yet the evolution of our backs is not up to snuff. Giraffes have incredibly long laryngeal nerves that go from their brain, all the way down their neck and then back up again to their larynx, because they evolved to have very long necks but evolution does not have an end goal or work perfectly. The result is an extremely inefficient nerve spanning metres instead of centimetres. Pretty poorly designed there, god.

If your god designed it, why did he do such a bad job?

Also, since you can't prove your god, why do you bother believing in him? Why not another god? Why not no god? Please consider the Flying Spaghetti Monster, for he is so noodly and delicious.

When did I ever claim this? None of us here did. Why are you saying we did? WHAT?

This includes an aquatic creature serving as the ancestor to modern great apes (such as humans). Just because something is very complex does not mean it requires a deity.

I understand that the next thing I said did include the big bang theory, but I wasn't pointing my focus towards it, just using one of the atheist examples of how the universe was created. I was saying that evolution is supposed to explain how organisms can become what they are today from the start of the universe, if the universe was not created by an intelligent being. It does terrible at explaining that because that would mean the starting organism would have to be extremely simple, too simple to survive of evolve. I do not say that God must have done it because I cannot comprehend evolution, but because it simply does not add up. Here's a shitty example, but you get the point: If giraffes have long necks so that they can eat from the top of tall trees and plants, how did they survive before evolving into that? That's a bad example because a giraffe probably could survive without its long neck, but what about the many other organisms that inherit essential traits to help them survive in their environment that they simply could not live without? Is it because they started in another environment? If so, that would mean the change would have had to occur within a day, or they would have had to have started developing a long neck before they ever even needed to eat from a tall tree.

Giraffes have incredibly long laryngeal nerves that go from their brain, all the way down their neck and then back up again to their larynx, because they evolved to have very long necks but evolution does not have an end goal or work perfectly. The result is an extremely inefficient nerve spanning metres instead of centimetres. Pretty poorly designed there, god.

Maybe God doesn't want all animals to be super animals? But why the hell would a tiny change that occurs over millions of years have flaws? It seems like a process that takes so long and works so slowly should be more precise.

Also, since you can't prove your god, why do you bother believing in him?

Ako, please just take the time to read this. =P

You can't prove evolution. You can't prove the big bang theory. You can give reasons to believe it, just as I can give reasons to believe in God, but you cannot prove it. No theory for how we got here has ever been proven. Why not another god? The other religions don't make sense to me. They offer no explanation for why we live in a world with sin, why their god does not show himself and make himself well known, or a reason why their god hasn't killed us all because of our imperfections. The Bible includes explanation for all of that.
We live on one of millions of planets that just happens to be perfect for supporting life. We only find life where we are, and we only find intelligent lives in ourselves. When we find something that is not immediately explained and appears to have structure and design, like the Stonehenge, we begin to wonder what intelligent life has created it. Now we see our planet, perfect for supporting life, with plants that bear fruit for us and streams that provide water for us. When we look close enough at our own hands, we see millions of cells, each one with DNA more complicated than any written code or language. And now we think it came from an explosion. We know we got here somehow and we have many ideas, but really the only difference between atheism and theism is the difference between thinking we, a species that is complex beyond even our own understanding, (mostly referring to our lack of ability to create intelligence) either came from intelligence or random explosions. There are obviously things that we cannot see, such as our own sentience. We are not simply moving parts, we can actually feel and experience, and we assume the ones around us do too. That cannot be explained by science, and science cannot prove that it must be accompanied by a body, nor that its power or knowledge should be limited. Science therefore cannot disprove God, and although many of us do not believe because we do not see it, even logic cannot defy a God. That is why I choose to believe.

Also, Ako, I found a bug in my Halo plugin... You may not want to install it yet. I'm working on a fix. =)

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: This made me sad :(

« on: 15 July 2014, 07:41:21 PM »

Would you like to contribute to the debate, or just post shit? I do understand that VC forums is the best place on the internet for shitposting, and if you would like I can go to Google images and find something for atheism as well.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: This made me sad :(

« on: 15 July 2014, 07:40:02 PM »

Fossils don't prove shit. They prove that organisms do evolve over time, but not the evolution theory.

WHAT?
Fossils don't prove shit.
Fossils do prove evolution.
Fossils don't prove evolution.

Make up your mind.


Among other things, fossils are excellent sources of evidence for evolution and the age of life on Earth (far older than Adam and Eve).

I believe that a creature can become more advanced and evolve over time, that doesn't mean that humans started with some tiny life form that's presence still isn't explained, then over millions of years magically evolved into a million species.

Just because we do not currently have a complete understanding of abiogenesis does NOT mean evolution is invalid. Abiogenesis (the start of life) is a completely different study from evolution. Science is constantly expanding our knowledge, and not yet knowing things is not grounds for discrediting it. I take issue with your use of the word magic, because speciation is an ever more well-understood physical process, completely magic-free.

Again, the evolution theory is supposed to explain how a random explosion can create complex life, and it doesn't really explain that unless the starting organism was incredibly simple, to simple to evolve or even survive.

No, evolution is not supposed to explain the origins of our universe. Evolution explains speciation. An evolutionary biologist and an astrophysicist are involved in very different fields of science.

Just read a bit more of your bullshit and realized I didn't address everything. First, I started that point from the position that my God exists without first proving it because proving it wasn't the point I was making at that moment.

Fair enough. I did just grab a slice of text because you wrote a massive wall. Regardless, you need to prove your god exists before making claims based on it existing.

I was explaining how it goes from one omnipotent being to the religion I believe, and second because honestly I cannot prove that my God exists. Just as you cannot disprove him.

I do not need to disprove something that does not exist. The burden of proof is on the person who is making the claim. Prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist. Oh you can't? FSM MUST BE REAL! ONE TRUE LORD. NOODLY APPENDAGES TOUCH US ALL.

When I said that is more consistent with science, I wasn't exactly talking about the evolution theory. I've heard a lot of bullshit about where life starts, where the first simple organism came from, and the one I was really addressing is the theory that it came from some "chemicals of life" on a comet or meteor and landed in an ocean or lake, then somehow became life. That theory agrees with spontaneous generation, a theory that has been disproved.

If I recall correctly, spontaneous generation is disproven bullshit that says things like dustmites can suddenly come into existence from dust. It is a very old idea that predates science. It is obviously incorrect.

The hypothesis that organic chemicals can form rudimentary processes that can then become basic prokaryote-esque cellular life is being investigated, and is not necessarily complete bullshit. It may actually be accurate. Scientists are trying to replicate the environment that existed in Earth's early history that may have given rise to this type of abiogenesis.

Life coming from a space object is also interesting, because we know that some animals are capable of living unprotected in space, such as tardigrades.

Fossils prove evolution. They do not prove that humans and every other species evolved from one small organism from space.

I never said evolution was invalid. I said your proof is invalid for proving that humans and many other species of Earth evolved from a small organism from space.

I didn't say evolution is supposed to explain the origins of the universe. I said its supposed to explain how a complex organism with organ systems to support its life, organs that function to serve countless purposes for countless species, each one with thousands of cells with their own structure and DNA more complicated than any written code, could occur from the creation of a universe that was not created by an intelligent being. And really, evolution does an extremely shitty job at explaining that.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: This made me sad :(

« on: 15 July 2014, 06:34:01 PM »

Thank you, Sir, for posting a factually correct response



Let's play a game called "Randomly drag my mouse through Freelix's sea of text and copy+paste what I get here then respond to it", shall we?

how does that relate to some guy named Jesus standing over the universe and whispering to one planet "Don't masturbate". I've thought about that, and I've come up with an answer. When God created the universe, he wanted it for a purpose, just as we create things with a purpose. Of course, his purposes aren't like ours, what he needs is to be acknowledged. So he created, and he created humans in his image. To me that concept explains it all. When it says in Genesis that he created Adam out of dust and Eve out of Adam's rib, I believe that the process may not have occurred exactly like that, but even if it did, he has created life out of life, he created Adam out of himself, and Eve out of Adam. That is actually more consistent with science than many "scientific" theories that rely on the concept of spontaneous generation, an idea that was disproved by both Francesco Redi and Lewis Pasteur in two separate experiments.

Why do you make this stuff up? Why not just read about evolution? I don't get it. We have overwhelming peer-reviewed evidence which includes fossils and observation of evolution in action, all of which you can look up. Orrrrr we have your ass, and the asses of anonymous men in the iron age who compiled a complete mess of a book. Which one is more reliably correct?

You start at the position that your god exists but don't have proof. Prove your god is real. Why aren't other people's gods the real ones?
You make things up about your god and the universe that sound nice to you, rather than follow what the evidence says. Prove the universe has purpose.

And hold on one second... you believe in adam and eve? You think the human race is only a few thousand years old? You claim this is actually MORE consistent with science? You should stop using the words "science" and "theory" until you can grasp what they are. I'd be happy to point you in the right direction if you're willing to learn.

Also, what the fuck are you thinking calling spontaneous generation a scientific theory? Are you pretending that is what scientists claim about evolution? Honestly, man, you REALLY need to read about evolution some more, it's pretty cool stuff. You clearly don't understand it. If you're interested in the scientific study of where life began on Earth, then look into abiogenesis. The Bible is not a science book, it is an ancient poetry book at best.

Just read a bit more of your bullshit and realized I didn't address everything. First, I started that point from the position that my God exists without first proving it because proving it wasn't the point I was making at that moment. I was explaining how it goes from one omnipotent being to the religion I believe, and second because honestly I cannot prove that my God exists. Just as you cannot disprove him.
When I said that is more consistent with science, I wasn't exactly talking about the evolution theory. I've heard a lot of bullshit about where life starts, where the first simple organism came from, and the one I was really addressing is the theory that it came from some "chemicals of life" on a comet or meteor and landed in an ocean or lake, then somehow became life. That theory agrees with spontaneous generation, a theory that has been disproved.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: This made me sad :(

« on: 15 July 2014, 06:27:24 PM »

Thank you, Sir, for posting a factually correct response



Let's play a game called "Randomly drag my mouse through Freelix's sea of text and copy+paste what I get here then respond to it", shall we?

how does that relate to some guy named Jesus standing over the universe and whispering to one planet "Don't masturbate". I've thought about that, and I've come up with an answer. When God created the universe, he wanted it for a purpose, just as we create things with a purpose. Of course, his purposes aren't like ours, what he needs is to be acknowledged. So he created, and he created humans in his image. To me that concept explains it all. When it says in Genesis that he created Adam out of dust and Eve out of Adam's rib, I believe that the process may not have occurred exactly like that, but even if it did, he has created life out of life, he created Adam out of himself, and Eve out of Adam. That is actually more consistent with science than many "scientific" theories that rely on the concept of spontaneous generation, an idea that was disproved by both Francesco Redi and Lewis Pasteur in two separate experiments.

Why do you make this stuff up? Why not just read about evolution? I don't get it. We have overwhelming peer-reviewed evidence which includes fossils and observation of evolution in action, all of which you can look up. Orrrrr we have your ass, and the asses of anonymous men in the iron age who compiled a complete mess of a book. Which one is more reliably correct?

You start at the position that your god exists but don't have proof. Prove your god is real. Why aren't other people's gods the real ones?
You make things up about your god and the universe that sound nice to you, rather than follow what the evidence says. Prove the universe has purpose.

And hold on one second... you believe in adam and eve? You think the human race is only a few thousand years old? You claim this is actually MORE consistent with science? You should stop using the words "science" and "theory" until you can grasp what they are. I'd be happy to point you in the right direction if you're willing to learn.

Also, what the fuck are you thinking calling spontaneous generation a scientific theory? Are you pretending that is what scientists claim about evolution? Honestly, man, you REALLY need to read about evolution some more, it's pretty cool stuff. You clearly don't understand it. If you're interested in the scientific study of where life began on Earth, then look into abiogenesis. The Bible is not a science book, it is an ancient poetry book at best.

Fossils don't prove shit. They prove that organisms do evolve over time, but not the evolution theory. I believe that a creature can become more advanced and evolve over time, that doesn't mean that humans started with some tiny life form that's presence still isn't explained, then over millions of years magically evolved into a million species. Again, the evolution theory is supposed to explain how a random explosion can create complex life, and it doesn't really explain that unless the starting organism was incredibly simple, to simple to evolve or even survive.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: This made me sad :(

« on: 14 July 2014, 09:34:35 PM »

Also, I just converted to christianism, excuse me for a second while I go rape and slave some hoes, Jesus won't mind, it's in the bible.

Where does it say that in the bible? Also, one more thing. May I ask why this thread is titled "This made me sad"? Don't say its because you're sad that someone is going to die of cancer, because I can't think of a reason that you should feel sorry for anyone for any reason. Have you ever wondered if other people have life or sentience, or are they just organic robots? Of course you would say that they are sentient, and they experience what you experience as a human, but actually according to atheism, the two answers are the same thing. Think of it this way. If you look at an illustration for a book that illustrates a fictional house, wondering if someone else is sentient, or acting as if they were, is like looking at the image of a fictional house and wondering if there is a dog behind it, or a person inside it. Unless the author mentioned it, the answer is neither yes or no, because the answers are the same thing. It cannot be yes or no because the image's perspective does not show it, and there is no greater intelligence that says it is there. According to atheism you're not seeing life in one of a million perspectives, it simply is your perspective. Anything outside of your view neither does nor doesn't exist. So why, then, does this make you sad?

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: This made me sad :(

« on: 14 July 2014, 09:16:51 PM »

Fucking militant atheists... with their... equality... and reason and shit. Why can't they just shut up and let religions oppress people like they always have? We don't need change. The status quo is perfect. Romney/Ryan 2012

"reason"... That's what I just love about atheism. The "reason" behind it, and its complete consistency with science. The big bang theory, for example, which can either defy the law of conservation of mass which states that matter is neither created nor destroyed, or it can mean that all the mass of the universe was compressed into one tiny area and then for some reason exploded instead of creating a black hole like it always does today and then in the completely accidental explosion created a perfect solar system and a planet with everything to support life and life itself, each being with complex organ systems, tissue, and inside every microscopic cell its own structure and DNA more complicated than any code written by man. Of course evolution explains that, the theory that a tiny organism that's existence still isn't explained somehow survived to evolve into a more complex organism and was somehow complex enough to evolve in the first place, then continued to evolve into an organism so complex that it actually would have needed to be since the beginning to survive. So much reason and logic...

You do realize all these changes happened REALLY slowly over millions and millions of year, right?

That's not my point. If you look up evolution on Google images, you usually see some shit with a monkey getting taller and becoming a human, but is the starting organism there not already so complex? Of course, that means that it is only showing the end of the evolution process, right? Well where does it begin? The part of atheism that evolution is supposed to explain is the creation of such complex organisms, but for it to serve that purpose, the original organism would have to be as simple as a rock. How the hell, then, can it be complex enough to evolve, or even survive? I've heard of a fish, I can't remember its name or much about it, but it lives in a poisonous type of underwater plant where it hides from its predators, as it is immune to the poison. If it evolved into that over the course of millions of years, how did it survive? To anyone who has any kind of flexibility, the idea of an omnipotent being shouldn't be too hard to at least consider. The question is though, how does it go from that to religion, a religion that is slowly becoming a minority, in a world that is against what the omnipotent and all powerful being wants? Or as you probably see it, how does that relate to some guy named Jesus standing over the universe and whispering to one planet "Don't masturbate". I've thought about that, and I've come up with an answer. When God created the universe, he wanted it for a purpose, just as we create things with a purpose. Of course, his purposes aren't like ours, what he needs is to be acknowledged. So he created, and he created humans in his image. To me that concept explains it all. When it says in Genesis that he created Adam out of dust and Eve out of Adam's rib, I believe that the process may not have occurred exactly like that, but even if it did, he has created life out of life, he created Adam out of himself, and Eve out of Adam. That is actually more consistent with science than many "scientific" theories that rely on the concept of spontaneous generation, an idea that was disproved by both Francesco Redi and Lewis Pasteur in two separate experiments. So, why then is there evil if God wanted good, why don't we simply obey him? It is because he created us in his image, and that includes free will. While he created animals without free will, he wanted species, humanity, to be more than just an organic robot. Something that would choose to follow him, rather than be forced to. Humans fell to sin then, and our imperfect world is our punishment. He would have thrown us away, but he loved us. It is just as if a human were to create something that did not quite serve the purpose we want it to serve, but we keep it because it is our first, or because it has sentimental value. And because he loved us, he wanted to save us. He could not keep us on Earth because the penalty for sin is death, and so he sent a savior, Jesus, to pay the price for our sins. We still have free will because we can deny Jesus and not accept forgiveness, but through him we can be saved and made perfect again, and enter the home that God created for himself with the purpose of remaining perfect. So in the end, all it takes to believe in Christianity is to simply believe that an omnipotent being can exist, the rest is explained by the one concept of God creating in his own image. The reason for pain, death, sin, and the reason why a world against its all powerful creator can exist, is because God didn't want us to blindly follow him, he wanted us to look the other way first, then turn back to him and follow with our eyes wide open.
Here's another way to look at it. Imagine that some time in the near future, 15 humans are locked up in an extremely large titanium box. Inside there is water running through a small hole in the top, air flowing through, trees, fruit bearing plants, and many animals and things to provide for the animals. Many generations later, the humans are trying to figure out how they got there. They often study where they are, which is very helpful for finding resources and creating things to make their lives easier. But how could that study ever show them how they got there? How could it explain the infinite stretch of space above them called the sky? It simply cannot. In this case, they would literally have to think outside the box. In the same way, our science cannot explain how we got here or what is beyond us. We think we have seen so much, but we have seen so little. What we have seen is one planet, one over infinite, a number that cannot be described as a decimal because it is infinitely small, and that is enough to completely disprove the existence of a God? Many say that Christians do not think enough, and we are not open minded. But I have considered every other idea, every theory I have ever heard, and I have simply chosen to believe this. But atheists use the little bit that humans have seen, something so small that could never explain how we got here, then you mock any other beliefs and attempt to defeat them with more bullshit.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: This made me sad :(

« on: 14 July 2014, 06:53:50 PM »

Fucking militant atheists... with their... equality... and reason and shit. Why can't they just shut up and let religions oppress people like they always have? We don't need change. The status quo is perfect. Romney/Ryan 2012

"reason"... That's what I just love about atheism. The "reason" behind it, and its complete consistency with science. The big bang theory, for example, which can either defy the law of conservation of mass which states that matter is neither created nor destroyed, or it can mean that all the mass of the universe was compressed into one tiny area and then for some reason exploded instead of creating a black hole like it always does today and then in the completely accidental explosion created a perfect solar system and a planet with everything to support life and life itself, each being with complex organ systems, tissue, and inside every microscopic cell its own structure and DNA more complicated than any code written by man. Of course evolution explains that, the theory that a tiny organism that's existence still isn't explained somehow survived to evolve into a more complex organism and was somehow complex enough to evolve in the first place, then continued to evolve into an organism so complex that it actually would have needed to be since the beginning to survive. So much reason and logic...

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: This made me sad :(

« on: 14 July 2014, 06:29:31 PM »

I'm a Christian, but I think that "faith treatment" is bullshit.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Leaving All my stuff to davbo132

« on: 14 July 2014, 06:26:52 PM »

I said that because i did not realise i couldnt buy a new one and just rename it the same thing they already had it.

Its pretty obvious that if you're killing animals in a place that you should not be killing them that you are attempting to be a shit and piss people off, even if you replace them.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: ghey

« on: 14 July 2014, 04:47:27 PM »

"Gay is not a insult" a insult? You disgust me...

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: ghey

« on: 13 July 2014, 11:46:09 PM »

Stop trying to spread the militant sodomite agenda. Most religions say being gay is wrong and evil, and have religions ever been incorrect? No.

This thread is pretty gay, by the way.

as a Christian(conservative and moderately secular Greek Orthodox) idk if this is directed to me beause I believe all people are equal and deserve to live and be human beings but idk if I'm on the right page because I don't follow rules set by churches out of religion, just morals and values.
Sorry if this is unrelated

So I'm not the only Christian in this terrible hellish place known as VillageCraft... =D

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Get cheesed on, Luis.

« on: 9 July 2014, 05:16:22 PM »

I once had a mac. Even after I had about a month or two to use it, I eventually came to the conclusion that every MacBook and other shitty excuse for a terrible operating system that Apple has ever made all suck sweaty, saggy balls. If I was stranded on a tiny island with nothing but a MacBook and a palm tree that gave off wifi signals, I would not even touch the MacBook to try to communicate or get help. And if I did, I would probably die before I could even figure out how to right click on the piece of shit.