VOTE PASSED: PARLIAMENT VOTE #11 - New Rule Regarding Staff PVP Combat

[Akomine (OP)]

PARLIAMENT VOTE #11
An Act to Regulate PVP Combat for Members of the VillageCraft Staff

Update: Vote Passed.

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If this act passes:
1. Staff may not engage in PVP, unless:
a) They are assaulted and need to defend themselves, or;
b) They engage in PVP combat where all parties starting a fight consent (in in-game chat) to the Staff member taking part, or;
c) They are involved in an arena event or PVP event where PVP is obviously the activity.

2. Staff may not use their Staff privileges or powers to gain an unfair advantage in PVP.

3. Staff may not use their Staff privileges or powers to give another player an unfair advantage in PVP.
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All Members of Parliament may vote.
For the act to pass, a majority of voting MPs must vote in favour.
The poll will run for approximately 4 days, unless there is a clear victor or an ongoing debate, in which case it may be extended or shortened.

If you think Staff PVP should be regulated, please vote in favour.
If you think Staff should be allowed to PVP just as any player would, please vote against.
Please note that Staff may not abuse their powers, regardless of this vote.

[Akomine (OP)]

Feel free to debate this right here in this thread if you feel the need to do so

[knitefall]

I personally don't even like the thought of this. It is commonly known that we staff come on here and volunteer our time to help the server out. Theres a point when some of us just can't handle the stupidity and need to find a way to just escape it. Most just tone out chat, but thats just not possible for me, so I turn to PvP. If these rules were enabled, I would lost a big chunk of that get-away.

I'd like for you to think about that while voting

[ChaosMushrooms]

I don't like the rule. If staff don't use their powers to an advantage why should they not be able to pvp like everyone else?

[Akomine (OP)]

I am absolutely in favour of this rule.

Staff should be trusted, teleports from them should not be feared, and Staff should not be allowed to randomly engage in PVP with people at any time without notice.

Staff have a special role on the server where they are often among people helping them. To be able to PVP without consent is a dangerous situation.
We have had complaints in the past, and I felt the Parliament should vote on this.

I am voting in favour.

[lishman77]

i think if staff dont use powers over users then its fair play, it would be just the same as any other pvp situation with other people i would have thought

[Akomine (OP)]

i think if staff dont use powers over users then its fair play, it would be just the same as any other pvp situation with other people i would have thought

This isn't just about fair play though, now is it?

Isn't this also about Staff as helpers on the server? As people who should be trusted? I simply don't think that Staff being allowed to hunt players they don't like is okay. It seems to me it could cause them to treat them differently even when on Staff business.

Staff should not be making enemies, they are the fucking Staff of the server.

They can still PVP with consent, in the arena, in PVP games, etc, they just can't go hunting if this rule passes. I think it has big benefits.

[MossyPaws]

i think if staff dont use powers over users then its fair play, it would be just the same as any other pvp situation with other people i would have thought

With this in mind, I voted no. But staff do sort of use their powers, if not intentionally, by asking tp's to players then killing. Although this is allowed, players are more likely to trust staff not to kill them for the sole reason that they are staff. E.g: If a regular player had asked to teleport, they may not have allowed it. But because the request came from a staff member, they allowed it and were killed.

[lishman77]

I am absolutely in favour of this rule.

Staff should be trusted, teleports from them should not be feared, and Staff should not be allowed to randomly engage in PVP with people at any time without notice.

Staff have a special role on the server where they are often among people helping them. To be able to PVP without consent is a dangerous situation.
We have had complaints in the past, and I felt the Parliament should vote on this.

I am voting in favour.

fair point, i think staff should be trusted and not feared in tps but they should be grown up enough to know that tping with intention to kill the person is a small bit douchey and is not what players would expect from a staff member who should be there to help although its legal technically.

[luisc99]

Ako brought up a very good point in the game about CJ doing this, causing many players to leave. I myself was a victim of CJ's antics, and I don't want it to happen again. Like Ako and Lish said, staff should not be feared or abuse their powers, as they are given to help people. For that reason, I voted for this rule. Maybe a strike system to catch staff who do not follow it if it is passed?

[Akomine (OP)]

i think if staff dont use powers over users then its fair play, it would be just the same as any other pvp situation with other people i would have thought

With this in mind, I voted no. But staff do sort of use their powers, if not intentionally, by asking tp's to players then killing. Although this is allowed, players are more likely to trust staff not to kill them for the sole reason that they are staff. E.g: If a regular player had asked to teleport, they may not have allowed it. But because the request came from a staff member, they allowed it and were killed.

You bring up a perfect point on why this vote should pass. Why in the hell did you vote no with such a good piece of logic right there?

[DoggyStomper]

Ako brought up a very good point in the game about CJ doing this, causing many players to leave. I myself was a victim of CJ's antics, and I don't want it to happen again. Like Ako and Lish said, staff should not be feared or abuse their powers, as they are given to help people. For that reason, I voted for this rule. Maybe a strike system to catch staff who do not follow it if it is passed?

I agree with Luis, a strike system will be good if this vote does not pass.

[Akomine (OP)]

Ako brought up a very good point in the game about CJ doing this, causing many players to leave. I myself was a victim of CJ's antics, and I don't want it to happen again. Like Ako and Lish said, staff should not be feared or abuse their powers, as they are given to help people. For that reason, I voted for this rule. Maybe a strike system to catch staff who do not follow it if it is passed?

I agree with Luis, a strike system will be good if this vote does not pass.

Reread what Luis said, we need this vote to pass in order to add a strike system. How can we give staff strikes for breaking a rule that doesn't exist?

[DoggyStomper]

Ako brought up a very good point in the game about CJ doing this, causing many players to leave. I myself was a victim of CJ's antics, and I don't want it to happen again. Like Ako and Lish said, staff should not be feared or abuse their powers, as they are given to help people. For that reason, I voted for this rule. Maybe a strike system to catch staff who do not follow it if it is passed?

I agree with Luis, a strike system will be good if this vote does not pass.

Reread what Luis said, we need this vote to pass in order to add a strike system. How can we give staff strikes for breaking a rule that doesn't exist?

My bad. Reading is one of the things I struggle with the most.

[MossyPaws]

i think if staff dont use powers over users then its fair play, it would be just the same as any other pvp situation with other people i would have thought

With this in mind, I voted no. But staff do sort of use their powers, if not intentionally, by asking tp's to players then killing. Although this is allowed, players are more likely to trust staff not to kill them for the sole reason that they are staff. E.g: If a regular player had asked to teleport, they may not have allowed it. But because the request came from a staff member, they allowed it and were killed.

You bring up a perfect point on why this vote should pass. Why in the hell did you vote no with such a good piece of logic right there?

Only thought of that after voting because I saw Tob's report
Can I change my vote?

[PengBunny]

So basically staff can't do normal PVP anymore?

[Akomine (OP)]

No worries, and yes you can change your vote.

[Bl4ck_St0ne]

Near the top, can't you click "remove vote" ? Or is that only forum staff?

[luisc99]

Near the top, can't you click "remove vote" ? Or is that only forum staff?

Everyone I think, unless someone put me in a group without me knowing...

[ChaosMushrooms]

I think tp kill=no but outlands kill= yes

[MossyPaws]

Near the top, can't you click "remove vote" ? Or is that only forum staff?

Oh jeez, didn't see that.
" Thanks.

[blacka_ch33ze]

I think a and c should be why staff should pvp

[MossyPaws]

I think tp kill=no but outlands kill= yes

That seems like a good policy, but even if a staff member came across a regular player in the outlands, the player might let their guard down, thinking: 'Oh, that guy's staff, he won't kill me!'

[JANUARYJONES]

The thing is that some people get upset when they're killed and if you're a staff member bricks will be shat.
It doesn't matter how fair we are, our positions will be ammunition for accusations. Always.
No matter how fair, our reputations are damaged.
That's why I don't PVP, it's not worth the bullshit plus I like to be seen as a helpful ally because that's what a staff member should be.

[ThePandaWonder]

This is kinda unfair but somewhat right. Staff should be made not to tp kill, even if it is legit and they did not use their powers nor both parties agreed. But Staff are still players but they take their free time to help people on VC when they could just do something else or play on a different server or a game altogether. This leaves me puzzled. I voted No just because its unfair on the staff.

[SirLogiC]

If there was some way staff could turn off their tags/powers with a command that would help with the situation knite described. That way if they have the tag [MOD] enabled then they would be subject to these rules, and without them they would be subject to normal player rules. Sort of like how police need to use the sirens to break road rules to enforce the law.

I vote aye (yes), in any case.

[ChaosMushrooms]

Now hear this. I think that when a staff member is needed for something (i.e village protection) and that requires them to tp to a player, they should not be able to engage in PVP, however, if a player requests a tp to them or vice versa without any kind of foreword then the player requests teleportation at their own risk (Perhaps staff could warn the player that they are allowed to kill them if they accept the tp or when a player does /tpa there is a message in chat warning them about it). However, in regards to the outlands killing I think it should be stay as it currently is. I don't think staff should 'hunt' players but if they come across them randomly when walking through the outlands it should be as it always has been because the outlands are areas where players walk at their own risk and PVP is turned on for a reason. Also, staff vs staff should be fine in the outlands.

[Mason9468]

I think that staff should be able to pvp but not use their powers and use stuff from creative and spawn-ins

[luisc99]

I think that staff should be able to pvp but not use their powers and use stuff from creative and spawn-ins

We don't get creative

[TheCatsMangler]

Personally I think staff should go with A and C.

[Akomine (OP)]

PARLIAMENT VOTE #11
An Act to Regulate PVP Combat for Members of the VillageCraft Staff

Status: VOTE PASSED
Reason: Majority Decision
Voting Ended: August 22, 2013

Votes:
Yes - 21
No - 5
Abstain - 0