Die_Endermen report on LividUp64 and a discussion on discussing religion

[JANUARYJONES]

I'm not an atheist really... There's not any proof that gods exist and there's not any proof that they don't.

You sound exactly 100% like... an atheist. Really.

I not only can't find the spot in this thread where Air was being an asshole, but I also disagree with your sentiment that an atheist discussing beliefs is definitely just being an asshole. It's the oldest bullshit line in a religious person's book of deflections, and I am fucking surprised you've bought into it. Cheer up, dear Jan. <3

That's not atheistic, it's agnostic.

And I said when they act like they're better and smarter than someone who believes in religion that they are being assholes.
It has nothing to do with discussing their beliefs.

I'd be glad to explain you why both of them make no sense 

This was unnecessary.

We don't like when some Christians say we're wrong and try to tell us how it is.
So why are you acting just like them?
That's all I'm saying really, it's not a good attitude.

[Airbongo]

I'm not an atheist really... There's not any proof that gods exist and there's not any proof that they don't.

You sound exactly 100% like... an atheist. Really.

I not only can't find the spot in this thread where Air was being an asshole, but I also disagree with your sentiment that an atheist discussing beliefs is definitely just being an asshole. It's the oldest bullshit line in a religious person's book of deflections, and I am fucking surprised you've bought into it. Cheer up, dear Jan. <3

That's not atheistic, it's agnostic.

And I said when they act like they're better and smarter than someone who believes in religion that they are being assholes.
It has nothing to do with discussing their beliefs.

I'd be glad to explain you why both of them make no sense 

This was unnecessary.

We don't like when some Christians say we're wrong and try to tell us how it is.
So why are you acting just like them?
That's all I'm saying really, it's not a good attitude.

fair enough.

[Fuzzy_Yeti_69]

I don't see why we can't let people believe what they want to believe.
So long as you're not shoving your beliefs down someone's throats, then you're good.
It's the same with anything, taste in music, games, movies, and probably porn.
Fucking hell, all religion causes is arguments.
If you don't like Christians (or any other religion for that matter) shoving it down your throat, don't be an asshole about being an atheist, wether or not you think you're right.

[Joshtimasprime]

I'm not an atheist really... There's not any proof that gods exist and there's not any proof that they don't.

You sound exactly 100% like... an atheist. Really.

I not only can't find the spot in this thread where Air was being an asshole, but I also disagree with your sentiment that an atheist discussing beliefs is definitely just being an asshole. It's the oldest bullshit line in a religious person's book of deflections, and I am fucking surprised you've bought into it. Cheer up, dear Jan. <3

That's not atheistic, it's agnostic.

And I said when they act like they're better and smarter than someone who believes in religion that they are being assholes.
It has nothing to do with discussing their beliefs.

I'd be glad to explain you why both of them make no sense 

This was unnecessary.

We don't like when some Christians say we're wrong and try to tell us how it is.
So why are you acting just like them?
That's all I'm saying really, it's not a good attitude.

I really like the attitude you have about this jan.

I don't see why we can't let people believe what they want to believe.
So long as you're not shoving your beliefs down someone's throats, then you're good.
It's the same with anything, taste in music, games, movies, and probably porn.
Fucking hell, all religion causes is arguments.
If you don't like Christians (or any other religion for that matter) shoving it down your throat, don't be an asshole about being an atheist, wether or not you think you're right.

I agree . I don't like other people shoving their religions/lack there of down my throat. Just let people believe what they want to.

[Akomine]

That's not atheistic, it's agnostic.

Well, I could get into the definitions.

A theist is someone who believes in the existence of one or more deities (gods). Everyone else is an atheist (including you and me). In other words, an atheist is ANYONE who lacks belief in god(s).

A gnostic person is someone who claims knowledge about god(s) or the definite non-existence of any god(s). An agnostic person does not make claims of knowledge. In other words, a theist who claims something like "god is good" is claiming they have knowledge and are therefore gnostic. Similarly, an atheist who says they know somehow that there are definitely no gods is also gnostic, due to their claim of knowledge. An agnostic theist believes in god(s), but their belief ends there and they do not posit or claim any knowledge beyond the basic existence of the deity. An agnostic atheist lacks belief in god(s) and does not claim to have knowledge about any god(s) or knowledge that there's definitely no god(s).

Atheism and agnosticism are compatible, and you are likely an agnostic atheist.

And I said when they act like they're better and smarter than someone who believes in religion that they are being assholes.
It has nothing to do with discussing their beliefs.

With your clarification, I agree.

I don't see why we can't let people believe what they want to believe.
So long as you're not shoving your beliefs down someone's throats, then you're good.

Unfortunately religions and their adherents are constantly shoving their beliefs down everyone else's throats. This is evident in laws, attempts to shift curriculums, religious representatives in governments, the use of public funds for religious purposes, attempts to end the lives of young girls for the crime of going to school, defunding scientific research, or, say, putting up a display of the 10 commandments in a public school.

Religious people and irreligious people, theists and atheists, gnostics and agnostics, are all capable of acting superior and being assholes to people who have differing thoughts. And I agree, this attitude is generally not positive, nor is it likely to even be helpful for their own causes. I think being an asshole is pretty assholeish.

Sidenote: simply criticizing religions is not taboo or assholeish in its own right. <3

[Bl4ck_St0ne]

I just read all this, and I've got to say. Die you're making this your own problem. Stop over reacting about small situations, this is barely a report. It is merely someone needing a mute or a talking to, though you being offended is in my opinion no concern, because you have the option to do /ignore.

Livid try to limit your choice of words more carefully, because I'm sure Die's not the only one getting at least annoyed or slightly offended from what you are saying in game. Keep your possibly rude thoughts to yourself, and just try to think about what you're typing before you hit enter.

The rest of you are derailing this thread . Sure it's about religion, but it's a report not a discussion, take it somewhere else. Thank you to those who are putting in valuable information regarding the report.

[Airbongo]

I just read all this, and I've got to say. Die you're making this your own problem. Stop over reacting about small situations, this is barely a report. It is merely someone needing a mute or a talking to, though you being offended is in my opinion no concern, because you have the option to do /ignore.

Livid try to limit your choice of words more carefully, because I'm sure Die's not the only one getting at least annoyed or slightly offended from what you are saying in game. Keep your possibly rude thoughts to yourself, and just try to think about what you're typing before you hit enter.

The rest of you are derailing this thread . Sure it's about religion, but it's a report not a discussion, take it somewhere else. Thank you to those who are putting in valuable information regarding the report.

Dis ain't no report, that's why it got moved to general discussion.

[Hogz]

We are all atheists just some of us choose to be atheist to more religions

[Joshtimasprime]

It doesn't matter who I am. Anyone can be a hero. Even if they are doing something as simple as putting a coat over a young boy's shoulder to let him know the world hadn't ended.

[Lividup64]

Yes, I did say that. Although, I did apologise before that, with the both of us agreeing not to continue. I apologised saying, "I am sorry for expressing my view," and she went on and on and on about how I was "criticizing." I also want to point out that she was just as "rude," if you want, as me. Chaos settled us, told me to apologise, I did, then she started going on and on about me and how I was not doing what I have stated. May I also point out, she butted into a conversation me and Chaos was having, about first impressions about people. He called my religion a race, I corrected him, and Die butted in, and started insulting my religion. She said the following, "you're religion is fake," "You are all liars," and "You're religion is a cult." Therefor, this report is a closed matter, since Chaos has resolved it, and should be deemed not relevant.

Ahh... I just had a good read of Die's report and... Why the hell would I be coaching someone to say, "Islam is the best." That is sickening! Brainwashing is sick, and she just made that up from the top of her head.

[Saxturian]

We are learning about religions in my class, and i'd be glad to explain them. I can also point out the facts of the regions beliefs. not that anyone cares

[Airbongo]

We are learning about religions in my class, and i'd be glad to explain them. I can also point out the facts of the regions beliefs. not that anyone cares

id be glad to explain them and mock dem