4. Are you claiming something can exist outside of time and space? Evidence please.
Being an omnipotent divine being, one could argue that "God" exists outside of time and space, for since "creating whatever" falls into omnipotence, this would mean that God created time and space itself too. It would additionally mean that having created time, cause and effect do not apply to His existence. Either that or He exists in more than one dimension of time. Two dimensions of time form a plane of time, which has no beginning and no end and is not restricted to any single direction. A being that exists in at least two dimensions of time can travel anywhere in time and yet never had a beginning, since a plane of time has no starting point. Either interpretation leads one to the conclusion that God has no need of having been created.
You apparently pulled a tl;dr there, didn't you. Please read my whole post next time.
So apparently responding to your entire post, point by point, is somehow not reading your whole post. What the hell man? Just answer my points, what is this strange deflection? This comes across as a very dishonest way of having a debate on your part.
Interestingly, you've decided not to respond to the vast majority of my post. It's almost as if you pulled a tl;dr! Funny how that works.
I understand that you're not trying to be rude, but please do not act as the authority figure in this debate. Not to be offensive, but that's kind of what's radiating off of your arguments at this point. Moving on.
I'm not in any way trying to act as an authority figure. We're both presenting arguments and ideas. How am I acting as an authority figure?
@luisc99 Yes, it's possible that the matter that formed the "Big Bang" (if it's even a thing at all) came from energy. Please tell me where this energy came from then. Otherwise, it's contradicting science (Laws of Conservation of Matter and Energy) with more science (Quantum Fluctuation). Thanks for sharing info regardless.
The Laws of Thermodynamics do not contradict the theory of Quantum Fluctuation. Furthermore, Luis is not making any claim of what created matter and energy in the first place (if it was created), he was just adding some info about how energy and matter can convert.
And again, the Big Bang theory at no point claims that anything was magically created. It only deals with the explosion and expansion of our universe that started 13.8 billion years ago. It does not go beyond that or make any claim of what might have brought this on. By arguing as if it does make this claim (it doesn't!), you are arguing a straw man.
Could you please look up how having multiple dimensions, and even planes, of time work?
Look up what exactly? There are various debated multiverse hypotheses, do you specifically believe in one of them? It's totally interesting that you don't seem to believe in the Big Bang theory, yet you seem to believe in a multiverse hypothesis. Please tell us which one, I'm interested.
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Lastly, I didn't say that scientists can't know, I said they will tell you they don't know, because they honestly don't know. They don't want to make claims that aren't based on evidence, so they won't. This is an emerging field of science that is rather incomplete, and we're learning more every day. We don't know, yet. How's that?
Seeing that atheistic science has no way of proving anything in this regard (at least yet, as you claim), I'd like you to come with a theory that somehow disowns both having an omnipotent being create the universe and atheistic science. Good luck. Otherwise, that kinda leaves your argument at a stub (no offense).
This is, annoyingly, the only part of your post that actually responds to one of my points. By the way, no, I'm not going to "come up with a theory that somehow disowns both having an omnipotent being create the universe and atheistic science". I don't know why I have to make that claim, and to honest I'm very comfortable in not making evidence-devoid claims. I'm very comfortable with not knowing.
So here's your binary way of looking at this:
Either science (or me apparently) must explain how the universe came into existence... or god did it.
Problems with this argument:
A) The Big Bang theory or Science (or me) not having the answer to this is not proof of your god. All claims require evidence. When one claim gets refuted (or was never even claimed), it's not like the other claim just gets to be the correct one. It still needs evidence too.
B) You claim the universe came into existence, yet you provide no evidence that it came into existence. Strangely you keep talking about the Big Bang theory, which doesn't even claim this. Even stranger, you don't seem to agree with the Big Bang theory, so why are you talking about it so much? Oh, right, because you think refuting it somehow makes your god claim true (it doesn't! see A!).
C) You claim that your god has always existed. For some reason the universe always existing isn't acceptable, but your god always existing is apparently perfectly acceptable. Double standard.
D) You provide no evidence that a god created the universe. You wrote some information about how two dimensions form a plane of time, and how you think your god exists in a plane of time, and that a being that exists in a plane of time can time travel freely, and that a plane of time has no starting point, and that your god is omnipotent, and that your god created time, and a bunch of other things. And yet... you provide no evidence of any of this actually being reality. You got annoyed with me for apparently TL;DRing over this part of your post (which I read), because it's apparently your evidence (how can this be considered evidence?). So, uh, where's the evidence for your evidence? (lol)
E) You claim your god exists outside of space and time, yet you provide no evidence that things can exist outside of space and time. What exactly is "outside of space and time" anyways? What does that even mean? Everything we understand to be reality exists in space and time. That's what existing is. Oddly, you also argue your god travels time freely in a plane of time or something, which would mean he exists in space and time, so I don't quite understand. He exists in space and time, he doesn't exist in space and time, he's a male, he can do anything. All these interesting things you say, all these claims you make, no evidence for any of them.
F) You provide no information as to why a god must have done it. You never explain why it must have been a singular being. You just seem to have decided this must be the case. Why? Why must it have been a being?
Every time you say something I have so many more questions, and I'm so curious what your evidence is. It sounds like you have all the answers to the biggest mysteries, and I just want to learn... but... evidence is so much more reliable than faith, and you said you have evidence. So where's your evidence man? Or are you really just using faith?
Why is refuting the Big Bang so important to your provision of evidence? What does it have to do with anything? We never even mentioned it. Sure, the Big Bang is false. Or it's true. I don't care. Prove your god exists.