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« Reply #155 on: 3 April 2016, 12:47:59 PM »
Are you shitting me? Honestly, are you just trolling at this point? What happens when you cut yourself? You bleed blood, a liquid. What happens when you stab an animal, it bleeds blood, a liquid. What happens when you fucking urinate? WATER COMES OUT! WHAT HAPPENS WHEN AN ANIMAL URINATES? WATER COMES OUT. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU STEP ON A BUG? JUICES COME OUT. EAT A FRUIT, JUICES COME OUT. I MEAN, HAVE YOU EVER EATEN A GRAPE? Fucking pocket of water. WE ARE SURROUNDED BY WATER, VISIBLE WATER IS FUCKING EVERYWHERE!! Geee, I wonder where did they get the inspiration to say god made us out of water. God damn, I'm so tired of your stubborn nonsense.

I feel like an idiot, all of a sudden.

I'm going to provide something else then (with pictures!). Please let me know if the following has been known regarding embryology before 600 CE:

Verse: "We (God) created man from an extract of clay.  Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed.  Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)..." (23:12-14)

Literally, the Arabic word alaqah has three meanings: (1) leech, (2) suspended thing, and (3) blood clot.

In comparing a leech to an embryo in the alaqah stage, we find similarity between the two as we can see in Figure 1.  Also, the embryo at this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech, which feeds on the blood of others.


Figure 1: Drawings illustrating the similarities in appearance between a leech and a human embryo at the alaqah stage. (Leech drawing from Human Development as Described in the Quran and Sunnah, Moore and others, p. 37, modified from Integrated Principles of Zoology, Hickman and others.  Embryo drawing from The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 73.)

The second meaning of the word alaqah is “suspended thing.”  This is what we can see in Figures 2 and 3, the suspension of the embryo, during the alaqah stage, in the womb of the mother.


Figure 2: We can see in this diagram the suspension of an embryo during the alaqah stage in the womb (uterus) of the mother. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 66.)


Figure 3: In this photomicrograph, we can see the suspension of an embryo (marked B) during the alaqah stage (about 15 days old) in the womb of the mother.  The actual size of the embryo is about 0.6 mm. (The Developing Human, Moore, 3rd ed., p. 66, from Histology, Leeson and Leeson.)

The third meaning of the word alaqah is “blood clot.”  We find that the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the alaqah stage is similar to that of a blood clot.  This is due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage (see figure 4). Also during this stage, the blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week. Thus, the embryo at this stage is like a clot of blood.


Figure 4: Diagram of the primitive cardiovascular system in an embryo during the alaqah stage.  The external appearance of the embryo and its sacs is similar to that of a blood clot, due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo. (The Developing Human, Moore, 5th ed., p. 65.) So, uh, yeah, sources.

So the three meanings of the word alaqah correspond accurately to the descriptions of the embryo at the alaqah stage, unless you'd like to argue otherwise?

The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage.  The Arabic word mudghah means “chewed substance.”  If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his or her mouth and then compare it with an embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that the embryo at the mudghah stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance.  This is because of the somites at the back of the embryo that “somewhat resemble teethmarks in a chewed substance.” (see Figures 5 and 6).


Figure 5: Photograph of an embryo at the mudghah stage (28 days old).  The embryo at this stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance, because the somites at the back of the embryo somewhat resemble teeth marks in a chewed substance.  The actual size of the embryo is 4 mm. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 82, from Professor Hideo Nishimura, Kyoto University, Kyoto, Japan.) I feel like it's really unnecessary to cite these, yet I'm still doing it anyway.


Figure 6: When comparing the appearance of an embryo at the mudghah stage with a piece of gum that has been chewed, we find similarity between the two.
A) Drawing of an embryo at the mudghah stage.  We can see here the somites at the back of the embryo that look like teeth marks. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 79.)
B) Photograph of a piece of gum that has been chewed.


How could Muhammad have possibly known all this 1400 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time?  Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells (spermatozoa) using an improved microscope in 1677 (more than 1000 years after Muhammad).  They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract. Hmm?

@Lividup64, feel free to add anything more (if you're still actually a part of this anymore).


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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #156 on: 3 April 2016, 12:57:11 PM »
How the fuck does a topic about terrorists change into a topic about embryos ?

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« Reply #157 on: 3 April 2016, 01:22:44 PM »
I'm going to provide something else then (with pictures!).

Hereby doing exactly what we've been saying all along, and you refuse to accept. Also, the fact you've used pictures makes no difference. You can use pictures to prove anything. If I say that this spoon resembles an embryo, your brain will probably see the resemblance.

As we've said before, coincidences happen. The Quran is a large document, and it's written in a different language. Due to translations over the centuries, the way language has developed, and the vast amount of time we've had to discover things as a species, it's almost certain things like this will happen.

Also, great use of copying and pasting other people's arguments, both text and images, directly into this thread. We go through the effort of writing our own posts in 10 mins max, and yet you still take a week to find something online and copy it. Interesting.

I have a life outside the forums.

We all have lives outside of the forums. If you look at Ako, who is currently the person on the forums with the most online time as shown in the stats page (which by the way, this thread is on), joined the forums on February 11, 2012, 03:37:34 AM. At the time I'm writing this, that's 130,775,804 seconds since he joined. He's been on the forums for 3,129,660 seconds overall, which is only 2.393% of his time over the past 4 years. Considering he's also the owner of the server, one of the major moderators of the forums, sets up mods for it, helps sort arguments, and does other things on here which will take time, that's not that much. For comparison, you have spent 2.283% of your time since you joined the forums, actually on the forums. If you span that out over, say, 1 year, that's 8d 18h 12m 21s for Ako, and 8d 8h 31m 54s for you. Get mathed son.

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #158 on: 3 April 2016, 02:19:47 PM »
ender im still waiting on that evidence that im a bad debater

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« Reply #159 on: 3 April 2016, 02:25:26 PM »
No I can't take this seriously any more. What in the fuck did I just read!? THAT IS EVIDENCE TO YOU!? Your belief hinges on this nonsensical bullshit? An embryo looks like a piece of chewed gum?! HAHA

What in the honest fuck. This is among the most retarded barf I've ever seen spewed in place of an argument.

Luis is right, you copy and pasted it. And you didn't even give a source. Here's your source: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm
Or here: http://researchislam.com/science-in-islam/
Or a bunch of others. Seems there's a collection of sites that all plagiarize this nonsense from eachother.

The Quran is not a science book. The Quran is not a history book. If you want to learn about science, you are going to need to do it separately from awful, uninformed islamic websites. This is embarrassing. How could you have posted this and not realized how dumb this is? You have gotten science and history massively wrong consistently throughout this thread BECAUSE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR INFORMATION FROM COMPROMISED RELIGIOUS SOURCES.

Again, the Quran is not a science book. The Quran is not a history book. Stop trying to pull science or history from it.

An embryo looks like chewed gum therefore the quran is fact and god is real!

Fuck me.

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #160 on: 3 April 2016, 02:43:47 PM »
It's ok, you aren't dumb, just really brainwashed.




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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #161 on: 3 April 2016, 04:03:56 PM »
Also can we just talk about how dishonest and shitty is that 100% of your reply was copied and pasted from a website like Luis said and then Ako posted the exact website. No quotation marks or linked sources, copied and pasted word for word, claiming it as your own.




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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #162 on: 3 April 2016, 06:45:29 PM »
It's ok, you aren't dumb, just really brainwashed.
Nah, that's just a false alarm caused by the tingling of your MexiSenses.
No I can't take this seriously any more. What in the fuck did I just read!? THAT IS EVIDENCE TO YOU!? Your belief hinges on this nonsensical bullshit? An embryo looks like a piece of chewed gum?! HAHA

What in the honest fuck. This is among the most retarded barf I've ever seen spewed in place of an argument.

Luis is right, you copy and pasted it. And you didn't even give a source. Here's your source: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm
Or here: http://researchislam.com/science-in-islam/
Or a bunch of others. Seems there's a collection of sites that all plagiarize this nonsense from eachother.

The Quran is not a science book. The Quran is not a history book. If you want to learn about science, you are going to need to do it separately from awful, uninformed islamic websites. This is embarrassing. How could you have posted this and not realized how dumb this is? You have gotten science and history massively wrong consistently throughout this thread BECAUSE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR INFORMATION FROM COMPROMISED RELIGIOUS SOURCES.

Again, the Quran is not a science book. The Quran is not a history book. Stop trying to pull science or history from it.

An embryo looks like chewed gum therefore the quran is fact and god is real!

Fuck me.
I don't think you're even analyzing my posts anymore.
Sorry for doing this, but I'm going to refer back to an older part of this thread.
Okay, so I'm arguing that the universe was created by an omnipotent being (God). You and Air argue that the universe was somehow magically able to come together just perfectly for life to start occurring (not to mention that you never were able to answer how life on Earth somehow started existing without omnipotent interference). I can see the reasoning behind why just because you don't know doesn't mean I'm automatically right, but for logic's sake, why aren't you considering the alternatives to the God-or-no-god theory if somehow the existence of a creator makes less sense compared to everything magically creating itself? I'm not advocating billion-handed Hindu gods here, it's just that there's just as many (if not, dare I say, more) holes in your no-god theory than what I've stated before.

You think this is over. We have a long way to go.

This sums a lot up.



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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #163 on: 3 April 2016, 07:15:51 PM »
ender your a dumb ass m8. go spend some time in a science class for a little bit please.

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« Reply #164 on: 3 April 2016, 07:32:12 PM »
ender your a dumb ass m8. go spend some time in a science class for a little bit please.

I Agree!

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« Reply #165 on: 3 April 2016, 07:33:51 PM »
ender your a dumb ass m8. go spend some time in a science class for a little bit please.

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« Reply #166 on: 3 April 2016, 07:36:34 PM »
ender your a dumb ass m8. go spend some time in a science class for a little bit please.

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« Reply #167 on: 3 April 2016, 07:53:15 PM »
ender your a dumb ass m8. go spend some time in a science class for a little bit please.

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« Reply #168 on: 3 April 2016, 07:56:44 PM »
ender your a dumb ass m8. go spend some time in a science class for a little bit please.

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« Reply #169 on: 3 April 2016, 07:59:10 PM »
I have pointed out your dishonest way of arguing several times, but you always ignore it. Here you are again saying the same shit yet again. YET AGAIN.

You're right, I'm not analyzing your posts anymore. I don't want to participate because you're being an asshole. You keep lying about what we believe. You just keep doing it. It doesn't seem to matter if I correct you. You just keep shoving words in our mouths. I love having debates and discussing ideas with honest people who are capable of arguing points without resorting to putting words in my mouth. But honestly? The stuff you have said in this thread is disgraceful to the spirit of debate.

Let me remind you not to put words in our mouths for probably the 12th time now, you dishonest fuck. Atheism is NOT the belief that there was nothing and nothing magically exploded, and nothing magically became something. FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, WE NEVER MADE THAT CLAIM. You decided we made that claim, and despite me correcting you several times weeks ago, here you are spouting it again. Dishonest fuck. Strawman argument fuck.

For the trillionth time: atheism is not a belief. Atheism is the LACK of a belief in deities. That's it.

I have considered that there might be a deity, and I even invited you to provide evidence of your god belief (because you claimed you had evidence). Instead it has been this constant stream of randomly deciding that I (or air or whoever) hold a position, and you decide to argue against that position as if it provides evidence for your god. That is the definition of a straw man argument. It is dishonest, and I'm not willing to put up with it.

At least recently you've finally decided to provide some sort of 'evidence' that the Quran came up with modern science before modern science did. Problem is, it didn't, as I pointed out and you subsequently ignored (you're a dishonest debater). The weird part is, even if the Quran happened to get one of these claims right (which, so far it hasn't from what I've seen), it still wouldn't prove your god exists. It would just be an interesting note that the Quran had something correct in it.

Your most recent evidence post is a blatant copy and paste from some collection of pseudo-science websites. You didn't bother to source it. You probably didn't bother to read it it seems like (how could you have posted that with a straight face?). And for a guy who seems to want to prove his position with science so much, you seem to constantly dismiss many of the major aspects of scientific knowledge and study. It's so weird.

HEY LOOK CHEWED FOOD LOOKS LIKE AN EMBRYO. THERES YOUR EVIDENCE BOYS. YOUR TURN AKO. WTF NOT ANALYZING MY POSTS NOW? FUCKING ATHEIST

/rant


Respond to some of my points for fuck sakes. Your "evidence" was shit, can you acknowledge that or not? Can you? Can you have the balls to say your argument was wrong?

If you fail to respond to the points I made in an earlier point-by-point post I will no longer bother responding to you thoughtfully. What's the point in responding thoughtfully if my thoughts are ignored? Consistently ignored.

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #170 on: 3 April 2016, 08:06:38 PM »
ender your a dumb ass m8. go spend some time in a science class for a little bit please.

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« Reply #171 on: 3 April 2016, 08:27:12 PM »
I have pointed out your dishonest way of arguing several times, but you always ignore it. Here you are again saying the same shit yet again. YET AGAIN.

You're right, I'm not analyzing your posts anymore. I don't want to participate because you're being an asshole. You keep lying about what we believe. You just keep doing it. It doesn't seem to matter if I correct you. You just keep shoving words in our mouths. I love having debates and discussing ideas with honest people who are capable of arguing points without resorting to putting words in my mouth. But honestly? The stuff you have said in this thread is disgraceful to the spirit of debate.

Let me remind you not to put words in our mouths for probably the 12th time now, you dishonest fuck. Atheism is NOT the belief that there was nothing and nothing magically exploded, and nothing magically became something. FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, WE NEVER MADE THAT CLAIM. You decided we made that claim, and despite me correcting you several times weeks ago, here you are spouting it again. Dishonest fuck. Strawman argument fuck.

For the trillionth time: atheism is not a belief. Atheism is the LACK of a belief in deities. That's it.

I have considered that there might be a deity, and I even invited you to provide evidence of your god belief (because you claimed you had evidence). Instead it has been this constant stream of randomly deciding that I (or air or whoever) hold a position, and you decide to argue against that position as if it provides evidence for your god. That is the definition of a straw man argument. It is dishonest, and I'm not willing to put up with it.

At least recently you've finally decided to provide some sort of 'evidence' that the Quran came up with modern science before modern science did. Problem is, it didn't, as I pointed out and you subsequently ignored (you're a dishonest debater). The weird part is, even if the Quran happened to get one of these claims right (which, so far it hasn't from what I've seen), it still wouldn't prove your god exists. It would just be an interesting note that the Quran had something correct in it.

Your most recent evidence post is a blatant copy and paste from some collection of pseudo-science websites. You didn't bother to source it. You probably didn't bother to read it it seems like (how could you have posted that with a straight face?). And for a guy who seems to want to prove his position with science so much, you seem to constantly dismiss many of the major aspects of scientific knowledge and study. It's so weird.

HEY LOOK CHEWED FOOD LOOKS LIKE AN EMBRYO. THERES YOUR EVIDENCE BOYS. YOUR TURN AKO. WTF NOT ANALYZING MY POSTS NOW? FUCKING ATHEIST

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Respond to some of my points for fuck sakes. Your "evidence" was shit, can you acknowledge that or not? Can you? Can you have the balls to say your argument was wrong?

If you fail to respond to the points I made in an earlier point-by-point post I will no longer bother responding to you thoughtfully. What's the point in responding thoughtfully if my thoughts are ignored? Consistently ignored.

I've read every bit of every post here. I admit that not all of my earlier responses took those read words into consideration. For that I apologize. I'd like to clear up that I'm not a dishonest debater, but I do understand that some of my responses here have reflected as such. I love debating as much as you do, but this does not reflect the way I normally debate. Please don't assume that just because I didn't respond to certain points directly doesn't mean I ignored them, it just means that I tried to indirectly answer them via the response posts, which I seemed to have been unable to do.

I never said that atheism was a belief system, just that people don't believe in a god (or gods), which leads one to conclude that they think the universe came to be otherwise. Stop being so pushy on that.

I'll admit once more that some of my recent posts are a bit sloppier than my earlier ones, and a lot of that is because I either didn't care much when posting or that I was rushing them. Yes, I know this sounds retarded and quite idiotic for an excuse, but now you have it, I guess.

How about we have a fresh start, before any more cancerous hate (*cough @OctoGamer cough*) spreads? I'd like to prove to you that I'm not in fact the dishonest person that you make me out to be, but that additionally requires you to stop insulting me on almost every single one of your most recent responses here. Can you work with me on that?

Great.
Please don't hate on this.

ender your a dumb ass m8. go spend some time in a science class for a little bit please.

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #172 on: 3 April 2016, 08:29:56 PM »
yo ender cancers not a joke

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« Reply #173 on: 3 April 2016, 08:30:10 PM »
You've gone to far to have a "fresh start" LOL

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« Reply #174 on: 3 April 2016, 08:31:21 PM »
yo ender don't really see how im salty m8 im here for a reaction out of you and i keep sucsessfully getting them.
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You've gone to far to have a "fresh start" LOL
I'm sorry, I don't recall you being a part of this debate.

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« Reply #175 on: 3 April 2016, 08:33:19 PM »
You've gone to far to have a "fresh start" LOL
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« Reply #176 on: 3 April 2016, 08:44:52 PM »
yo ender don't really see how im salty m8 im here for a reaction out of you and i keep sucsessfully getting them.
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You've gone to far to have a "fresh start" LOL
I'm sorry, I don't recall you being a part of this debate.
It's a public forum, he can join in if he wants to.




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« Reply #177 on: 3 April 2016, 09:13:08 PM »
Wtf which one is the embryo?!






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« Reply #178 on: 3 April 2016, 09:13:20 PM »
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I'd like to clear up that I'm not a dishonest debater

Except you are:
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You and Air argue that the universe was somehow magically able to come together just perfectly for life to start occurring

(You pulled that exact same bullshit right out of your ass, and shoved it right in our mouths countless times in this thread. Dishonest debater.)



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I never said that atheism was a belief system ... Stop being so pushy on that.

Except YOU LITERALLY JUST POSTED THIS BULLSHIT, AGAIN!:
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Dishonest debater, and blatant liar.



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How about we have a fresh start?

Shen wrecked:
You've gone to far to have a "fresh start" LOL

Howabout you respond to my point by point posts for ONCE in this thread?
Howabout you admit your shitty plagiarized arguments are WRONG?
Howabout you APOLOGIZE for lying and constantly putting words in our mouths that we never said?

Dishonest debater.

Not worthy of thoughtful responses.

Lying dishonest asshole.

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« Reply #179 on: 3 April 2016, 09:21:31 PM »

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« Reply #180 on: 3 April 2016, 09:24:45 PM »
GUYS!!

I just took a pic of Muhammed's GF with chewed food in her mouth:


I THINK SHE'S PREGNANT!!!!!!

OMG CONGRATS MUHAMMED!!!!!

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« Reply #181 on: 3 April 2016, 09:25:42 PM »
congrats on the health baby muhammed

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« Reply #182 on: 3 April 2016, 09:27:15 PM »
God damn, that's a fine fucking embryo. Congratulations Muhmy!




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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #183 on: 3 April 2016, 11:14:37 PM »
@Akomine Here, I'll put it in nice, big bold words for you:

I apologize.


@EveryoneElse Quit mocking me. @OctoGamer OctoGayboi can't spell and is too salty for his own good, @shensley is a fool with stupidity levels exceeding the legal safety limit, and @Airbongus Van Winkledorf is Mexican. Just in case y'all were too ignorant to realize, this isn't r/roastme (If anyone wants to make a thread like that on the forums, feel free to, but your crap isn't wanted here).

Now Ako, why don't you be a dear and continue on. Let's give this a second go, and if I screw up again, then maybe you can bring forth your insults. Take care to notice I haven't directed any insults towards you this thread, while you unfortunately failed to do the same.

Now for Take Two.

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« Reply #184 on: 4 April 2016, 06:15:21 AM »
wow so mature a gay joke.

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« Reply #185 on: 4 April 2016, 10:05:19 AM »
@Akomine Here, I'll put it in nice, big bold words for you:

I apologize.


@EveryoneElse Quit mocking me. @OctoGamer OctoGayboi can't spell and is too salty for his own good, @shensley is a fool with stupidity levels exceeding the legal safety limit, and @Airbongus Van Winkledorf is Mexican. Just in case y'all were too ignorant to realize, this isn't r/roastme (If anyone wants to make a thread like that on the forums, feel free to, but your crap isn't wanted here).

Now Ako, why don't you be a dear and continue on. Let's give this a second go, and if I screw up again, then maybe you can bring forth your insults. Take care to notice I haven't directed any insults towards you this thread, while you unfortunately failed to do the same.

Now for Take Two.


please no
You know a thread is really bad when PengBunny posts on it.


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air when the fuck did you do this ^^^