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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #248 on: 10 April 2016, 07:20:48 PM »
Thats what I thought, no reply. Punk ass bitch

Thou art not worthy of reply, ye plebian.
that is a shitty comeback

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #249 on: 10 April 2016, 07:25:50 PM »
Thats what I thought, no reply. Punk ass bitch

Thou art not worthy of reply, ye plebian.
Can't even explain your own comebacks. I ask again, how am I in denial?




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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #250 on: 10 April 2016, 07:27:18 PM »
Thats what I thought, no reply. Punk ass bitch

Thou art not worthy of reply, ye plebian.
Can't even explain your own comebacks. I ask again, how am I in denial?

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #251 on: 10 April 2016, 07:41:38 PM »
If its not too much trouble can we add dislikes... I feel like ender deserves a load.. and it would not be fair leaving him out.

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #252 on: 10 April 2016, 07:47:29 PM »
If its not too much trouble can we add dislikes... I feel like ender deserves a load.. and it would not be fair leaving him out.

We tried but the mod that added upvote/downvote isn't compatible... so we settled for this :/

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #253 on: 10 April 2016, 08:34:05 PM »
mood rn is lit af

this thread gave me cancer

#DerailPolice

ps. this is how I feel after going through this thread



and I bet that this is @Akomine  right now


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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #254 on: 10 April 2016, 08:39:36 PM »
If its not too much trouble can we add dislikes... I feel like ender deserves a load.. and it would not be fair leaving him out.

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #255 on: 10 April 2016, 09:16:20 PM »
If its not too much trouble can we add dislikes... I feel like ender deserves a load.. and it would not be fair leaving him out.

No need to torture me further...I'm not the next Rainy here. I'm behind enough on likes as it already stands.
Thats what I thought, no reply. Punk ass bitch

Thou art not worthy of reply, ye plebian.
Can't even explain your own comebacks. I ask again, how am I in denial?
Also, you're not asking "again", you're just asking for the first time. That's being dishonest right there. that you'll most probably insult me again if I say anything, I'll leave it up to you to reason why I think you're in denial.

Shout-out to @OctoGamer for repetitively harassing me, stalking every post I write and leaving hate on them, and overall just degrading my self-esteem every time I log onto the forums.

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #256 on: 10 April 2016, 09:25:29 PM »
thanks dawg, not sure how my mindless trolls are getting to you. But if you can't take stuff like that VC is not the place for you sweetheart. :)

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #257 on: 10 April 2016, 09:28:53 PM »
If its not too much trouble can we add dislikes... I feel like ender deserves a load.. and it would not be fair leaving him out.

No need to torture me further...I'm not the next Rainy here. I'm behind enough on likes as it already stands.
Thats what I thought, no reply. Punk ass bitch

Thou art not worthy of reply, ye plebian.
Can't even explain your own comebacks. I ask again, how am I in denial?
Also, you're not asking "again", you're just asking for the first time. That's being dishonest right there. that you'll most probably insult me again if I say anything, I'll leave it up to you to reason why I think you're in denial.

Shout-out to @OctoGamer for repetitively harassing me, stalking every post I write and leaving hate on them, and overall just degrading my self-esteem every time I log onto the forums.
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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #258 on: 10 April 2016, 09:34:05 PM »
How am I in denial, explain the shit spouting out of your mouth for once.

Can't even explain your own comebacks. I ask again, how am I in denial?

Also, you're not asking "again", you're just asking for the first time. That's being dishonest right there. that you'll most probably insult me again if I say anything, I'll leave it up to you to reason why I think you're in denial.


1+1=1?

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #259 on: 10 April 2016, 09:58:11 PM »
thanks dawg, not sure how my mindless trolls are getting to you. But if you can't take stuff like that VC is not the place for you sweetheart. :)

Lol.
How am I in denial, explain the shit spouting out of your mouth for once.

Can't even explain your own comebacks. I ask again, how am I in denial?

Also, you're not asking "again", you're just asking for the first time. That's being dishonest right there. that you'll most probably insult me again if I say anything, I'll leave it up to you to reason why I think you're in denial.


1+1=1?
Pretty sure 1+1=2. Or 🍩. Not sure.
Psst...he's asking me to explain my position in the first one and why I think he's in denial in the second.
« Last Edit: 10 April 2016, 10:05:09 PM by EnderEssence »

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #260 on: 11 April 2016, 02:27:57 AM »
Thats what I thought, no reply. Punk ass bitch

Thou art not worthy of reply, ye plebian.

You're really kind of dumb.

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #261 on: 11 April 2016, 06:08:52 AM »
Thats what I thought, no reply. Punk ass bitch

Thou art not worthy of reply, ye plebian.

You're really kind of dumb.
better not insult ender you might degrade his self esteem.

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #262 on: 11 April 2016, 06:39:26 AM »
« Last Edit: 11 April 2016, 04:12:01 PM by Akomine »
Guh

I'm a huge faggot and I love sucking airs cock.

It is abysmal that any one person would take try to limit the happiness that Gerrit70 has brought to this dull place.

Free Gerrit70 from his chains!

holy fuck gerrit you're autistic.

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #263 on: 11 April 2016, 09:25:57 PM »
Thats what I thought, no reply. Punk ass bitch

Thou art not worthy of reply, ye plebian.

You're really kind of dumb.
better not insult ender you might degrade his self esteem.

This kid makes me laugh.

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6.5/10 for effort. Had to knock a few points a way due to unrealistic post.

Welp, this debate's gone to hell. *prepares for "hell's nonexistent" rants*

No matter what, Ako's still been unable to disprove my universe-creation argument. That, if anything, is noteworthy. That and the fact that I've gotten a lot of unnecessary hate.

Since my Quranic arguments have been *so* successful, I'm going to try another one just for the sake of seeing how you'll disprove it. Rip me.

Now @Akomine, please tell me how the concept of orbits (in space) was known in the Quran (600 CE) be.

So, verses (I have two of these):

"It is He (God) Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit." (21:33)

It should be quite obvious that while referring to the sun and the moon in the Quran in this verse, it's emphasized that each moves in a definite orbit.

Quote from: a source
These facts communicated in the Qur'an have been discovered by astronomical observations in our age. According to the calculations of experts on astronomy, the Sun is traveling at the enormous speed of 720,000 kilometers an hour in the direction of the star Vega in a particular orbit called the Solar Apex. This means that the sun travels roughly 17,280,000 kilometers a day. Along with the Sun, and all planets and satellites within the gravitational system of the Sun also travel the same distance. In addition, all the stars in the universe are in a similar planned motion.

It's also mentioned here that the entire universe is full of paths and orbits (sounds kinda generic ik):
"By the sky full of paths and orbits." (51:7)

Now you.

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #264 on: 11 April 2016, 11:17:27 PM »
No matter what, Ako's still been unable to disprove my universe-creation argument. That, if anything, is noteworthy. That and the fact that I've gotten a lot of unnecessary hate.

What? What argument are you talking about? You've posted a handful of arguments, many of them I've been able to disprove, with many of them displaying you have a terribly compromised/narrow understanding of basic science and history. I don't understand how, of all the things in this thread, you can cheaply claim some sort of victory that it's notable that I haven't disproved something. Fuck off, you dishonest rat.


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Since my Quranic arguments have been *so* successful, I'm going to try another one just for the sake of seeing how you'll disprove it. Rip me.

Now @Akomine, please tell me how the concept of orbits (in space) was known in the Quran (600 CE) be.

So, verses (I have two of these):

"It is He (God) Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit." (21:33)

It should be quite obvious that while referring to the sun and the moon in the Quran in this verse, it's emphasized that each moves in a definite orbit.

Quote from: a source
These facts communicated in the Qur'an have been discovered by astronomical observations in our age. According to the calculations of experts on astronomy, the Sun is traveling at the enormous speed of 720,000 kilometers an hour in the direction of the star Vega in a particular orbit called the Solar Apex. This means that the sun travels roughly 17,280,000 kilometers a day. Along with the Sun, and all planets and satellites within the gravitational system of the Sun also travel the same distance. In addition, all the stars in the universe are in a similar planned motion.

It's also mentioned here that the entire universe is full of paths and orbits (sounds kinda generic ik):
"By the sky full of paths and orbits." (51:7)

Now you.

Are you FUCKING kidding me? Another blatant display of your compromised understanding of basic science and history. You seriously think this is a worthwhile argument? Where are you coming from here?

So let me get your line of thinking down here:
Quran is the first instance of the concept of orbits ever being mentioned in history -> therefore Quran beat science to the punch -> therefore the only possible conclusion is that the Quran miraculously made a correct prophecy -> therefore the Quran is fact -> therefore Allah is real.

This is where you keep coming from. That if the Quran were to make a correct prediction, therefore your god is real and everything you claim about him is true.

But you're so wrong. Since you choose to ignore my counter-evidence, here's some more counter-evidence for you to ignore:
The concept of orbits predates the Quran by hundreds of years. You could have fucking Googled this. I'm not even going to provide sources, just go read about the ancient Greek astronomers you ignorant idiot.













You come in here and act like you're so mighty? On such a high horse?
WELL I JUST SLAMMED YOU WITH A TRUTH BOMB BITCH.
BOOM!

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #265 on: 11 April 2016, 11:20:11 PM »
Lmfao you just got fucking owned, boy. /thread




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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #266 on: 12 April 2016, 06:56:41 AM »
LOL ENDER GOT REKT FOR LIKE THE 20th TIME THIS THREAD! LOL!

once again my reaction:

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #267 on: 12 April 2016, 07:48:05 PM »
No matter what, Ako's still been unable to disprove my universe-creation argument. That, if anything, is noteworthy. That and the fact that I've gotten a lot of unnecessary hate.


What? What argument are you talking about? You've posted a handful of arguments, many of them I've been able to disprove, with many of them displaying you have a terribly compromised/narrow understanding of basic science and history. I don't understand how, of all the things in this thread, you can cheaply claim some sort of victory that it's notable that I haven't disproved something. Fuck off, you dishonest rat.




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Since my Quranic arguments have been *so* successful, I'm going to try another one just for the sake of seeing how you'll disprove it. Rip me.


Now @Akomine, please tell me how the concept of orbits (in space) was known in the Quran (600 CE) be.


So, verses (I have two of these):


"It is He (God) Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit." (21:33)


It should be quite obvious that while referring to the sun and the moon in the Quran in this verse, it's emphasized that each moves in a definite orbit.


Quote from: a source
These facts communicated in the Qur'an have been discovered by astronomical observations in our age. According to the calculations of experts on astronomy, the Sun is traveling at the enormous speed of 720,000 kilometers an hour in the direction of the star Vega in a particular orbit called the Solar Apex. This means that the sun travels roughly 17,280,000 kilometers a day. Along with the Sun, and all planets and satellites within the gravitational system of the Sun also travel the same distance. In addition, all the stars in the universe are in a similar planned motion.


It's also mentioned here that the entire universe is full of paths and orbits (sounds kinda generic ik):
"By the sky full of paths and orbits." (51:7)


Now you.


Are you FUCKING kidding me? Another blatant display of your compromised understanding of basic science and history. You seriously think this is a worthwhile argument? Where are you coming from here?


So let me get your line of thinking down here:
Quran is the first instance of the concept of orbits ever being mentioned in history -> therefore Quran beat science to the punch -> therefore the only possible conclusion is that the Quran miraculously made a correct prophecy -> therefore the Quran is fact -> therefore Allah is real.


This is where you keep coming from. That if the Quran were to make a correct prediction, therefore your god is real and everything you claim about him is true.


But you're so wrong. Since you choose to ignore my counter-evidence, here's some more counter-evidence for you to ignore:
The concept of orbits predates the Quran by hundreds of years. You could have fucking Googled this. I'm not even going to provide sources, just go read about the ancient Greek astronomers you ignorant idiot.




You come in here and act like you're so mighty? On such a high horse?
WELL I JUST SLAMMED YOU WITH A TRUTH BOMB BITCH.
BOOM!


(INSERT AKO'S STUPID, ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT RANT HERE)


The ancient Greeks mentioned that the sun was in an orbit of its own and wasn't stagnant? I haven't been able to find that via Google. Read all of my freaking post.


Ako is falsely saying I have lied. Trying to imply a whole answer indirectly =/= dishonesty. I have never ignored a single piece of counter-evidence. Stop being that guy. Quit your injustifiable, stupid insults.Ako is falsely saying I have lied. Trying to imply a whole answer indirectly =/= dishonesty. I have never ignored a single piece of counter-evidence. Stop being that guy. Quit your injustifiable, stupid insults.Ako is falsely saying I have lied. Trying to imply a whole answer indirectly =/= dishonesty. I have never ignored a single piece of counter-evidence. Stop being that guy. Quit your injustifiable, stupid insults.

Now quit talking irrelevant trash. Now that I think about it, your whole "no claim, therefore burden of proof is on you" is nothing but a dirty, cheap debating strategy. Here's some food for thought, which I'm sure you're about to immediately defy while you're most likely already pressing the "Reply" button as you're reading this:

AKO'S ARGUMENT IN A NUTSHELL: Atheists don’t claim that God doesn’t exist. They lack belief in God. The burden of proof for God is on the theist, not the atheist.

This is nothing but a technicality you're using to try to put the burden on the other side. Since “atheism” means “without a belief in God”, you're not claiming anything and therefore supposedly do not have to prove anything. And thus you claim the burden of proof is on me, who claims that God exists.
 
However, this makes little difference either way because your core philosophy toward God is still the same. You believe that there is no God, and you know it. You emphasize this in order to try to put yourself in an unattackable position. It’s a semantic ploy. To try to be consistent with it, you keep saying “There is no evidence for God” rather than “God doesn't exist”.
 
You can’t really prove that God doesn’t exist because I can’t prove a negative. Regardless, you obviously believe that deep down that there isn't a God or deity anyway, which is prevalent in your attempts to debunk and refute every single argument for the existence of God.  Therefore, this trivial debate about the implications of the word “atheism” seems pointless in substance.
And now to wait for you to attack me with a copy-paste claim.

LOL ENDER GOT REKT FOR LIKE THE 20th TIME THIS THREAD! LOL!


once again my reaction:


dis kid

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #268 on: 12 April 2016, 07:51:23 PM »
you shouldn't call people kid when you are a kid also.

theirs no evidence that prove god exists, although I believe in god, their is no evidence. its a belief, people choose to believe in god. stop trying to prove god exists to someone who obviously doesn't believe in god.
« Last Edit: 12 April 2016, 07:54:52 PM by OctoGamer »

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #269 on: 12 April 2016, 08:49:28 PM »
Silly Ender, use Tor google doesnt work.


No matter what, Ako's still been unable to disprove my universe-creation argument. That, if anything, is noteworthy. That and the fact that I've gotten a lot of unnecessary hate.


What? What argument are you talking about? You've posted a handful of arguments, many of them I've been able to disprove, with many of them displaying you have a terribly compromised/narrow understanding of basic science and history. I don't understand how, of all the things in this thread, you can cheaply claim some sort of victory that it's notable that I haven't disproved something. Fuck off, you dishonest rat.




Quote
Since my Quranic arguments have been *so* successful, I'm going to try another one just for the sake of seeing how you'll disprove it. Rip me.


Now @Akomine, please tell me how the concept of orbits (in space) was known in the Quran (600 CE) be.


So, verses (I have two of these):


"It is He (God) Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit." (21:33)


It should be quite obvious that while referring to the sun and the moon in the Quran in this verse, it's emphasized that each moves in a definite orbit.


Quote from: a source
These facts communicated in the Qur'an have been discovered by astronomical observations in our age. According to the calculations of experts on astronomy, the Sun is traveling at the enormous speed of 720,000 kilometers an hour in the direction of the star Vega in a particular orbit called the Solar Apex. This means that the sun travels roughly 17,280,000 kilometers a day. Along with the Sun, and all planets and satellites within the gravitational system of the Sun also travel the same distance. In addition, all the stars in the universe are in a similar planned motion.


It's also mentioned here that the entire universe is full of paths and orbits (sounds kinda generic ik):
"By the sky full of paths and orbits." (51:7)


Now you.


Are you FUCKING kidding me? Another blatant display of your compromised understanding of basic science and history. You seriously think this is a worthwhile argument? Where are you coming from here?


So let me get your line of thinking down here:
Quran is the first instance of the concept of orbits ever being mentioned in history -> therefore Quran beat science to the punch -> therefore the only possible conclusion is that the Quran miraculously made a correct prophecy -> therefore the Quran is fact -> therefore Allah is real.


This is where you keep coming from. That if the Quran were to make a correct prediction, therefore your god is real and everything you claim about him is true.


But you're so wrong. Since you choose to ignore my counter-evidence, here's some more counter-evidence for you to ignore:
The concept of orbits predates the Quran by hundreds of years. You could have fucking Googled this. I'm not even going to provide sources, just go read about the ancient Greek astronomers you ignorant idiot.




You come in here and act like you're so mighty? On such a high horse?
WELL I JUST SLAMMED YOU WITH A TRUTH BOMB BITCH.
BOOM!


(INSERT AKO'S STUPID, ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT RANT HERE)


The ancient Greeks mentioned that the sun was in an orbit of its own and wasn't stagnant? I haven't been able to find that via Google. Read all of my freaking post.


Ako is falsely saying I have lied. Trying to imply a whole answer indirectly =/= dishonesty. I have never ignored a single piece of counter-evidence. Stop being that guy. Quit your injustifiable, stupid insults.Ako is falsely saying I have lied. Trying to imply a whole answer indirectly =/= dishonesty. I have never ignored a single piece of counter-evidence. Stop being that guy. Quit your injustifiable, stupid insults.Ako is falsely saying I have lied. Trying to imply a whole answer indirectly =/= dishonesty. I have never ignored a single piece of counter-evidence. Stop being that guy. Quit your injustifiable, stupid insults.

Now quit talking irrelevant trash. Now that I think about it, your whole "no claim, therefore burden of proof is on you" is nothing but a dirty, cheap debating strategy. Here's some food for thought, which I'm sure you're about to immediately defy while you're most likely already pressing the "Reply" button as you're reading this:

AKO'S ARGUMENT IN A NUTSHELL: Atheists don’t claim that God doesn’t exist. They lack belief in God. The burden of proof for God is on the theist, not the atheist.

This is nothing but a technicality you're using to try to put the burden on the other side. Since “atheism” means “without a belief in God”, you're not claiming anything and therefore supposedly do not have to prove anything. And thus you claim the burden of proof is on me, who claims that God exists.
 
However, this makes little difference either way because your core philosophy toward God is still the same. You believe that there is no God, and you know it. You emphasize this in order to try to put yourself in an unattackable position. It’s a semantic ploy. To try to be consistent with it, you keep saying “There is no evidence for God” rather than “God doesn't exist”.
 
You can’t really prove that God doesn’t exist because I can’t prove a negative. Regardless, you obviously believe that deep down that there isn't a God or deity anyway, which is prevalent in your attempts to debunk and refute every single argument for the existence of God.  Therefore, this trivial debate about the implications of the word “atheism” seems pointless in substance.
And now to wait for you to attack me with a copy-paste claim.

LOL ENDER GOT REKT FOR LIKE THE 20th TIME THIS THREAD! LOL!


once again my reaction:


dis kid


^ And is this just a fancy way of saying I cant come up with anything to prove my point so now its your turn?   ??? 

Guh

I'm a huge faggot and I love sucking airs cock.

It is abysmal that any one person would take try to limit the happiness that Gerrit70 has brought to this dull place.

Free Gerrit70 from his chains!

holy fuck gerrit you're autistic.

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #270 on: 12 April 2016, 09:03:16 PM »
you shouldn't call people kid when you are a kid also.

theirs no evidence that prove god exists, although I believe in god, their is no evidence. its a belief, people choose to believe in god. stop trying to prove god exists to someone who obviously doesn't believe in god.
Apparently I'm a kid now.

You're kinda defeating the purpose of the debate by saying that. Plus, it was Ako that asked me to prove, not the other way around.

Silly Ender, use Tor google doesnt work.

(CONVOS WERE HERE)

^ And is this just a fancy way of saying I cant come up with anything to prove my point so now its your turn?   ??? 



Everything written here is "fancy" to you, and I'm pretty sure you don't understand nearly all of the substance in this debate to immediately rush to assumptive conclusions. Your argument's kinda invalid that way.

Never heard of Tor. Will take a look.
And you're right on one thing: Anime was and forever will be a mistake.

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #271 on: 12 April 2016, 09:06:34 PM »
you shouldn't call people kid when you are a kid also.

theirs no evidence that prove god exists, although I believe in god, their is no evidence. its a belief, people choose to believe in god. stop trying to prove god exists to someone who obviously doesn't believe in god.
Apparently I'm a kid now.

You're kinda defeating the purpose of the debate by saying that. Plus, it was Ako that asked me to prove, not the other way around.

Silly Ender, use Tor google doesnt work.

(CONVOS WERE HERE)

^ And is this just a fancy way of saying I cant come up with anything to prove my point so now its your turn?   ??? 



Everything written here is "fancy" to you, and I'm pretty sure you don't understand nearly all of the substance in this debate to immediately rush to assumptive conclusions. Your argument's kinda invalid that way.

Never heard of Tor. Will take a look.
And you're right on one thing: Anime was and forever will be a mistake.
lol you are a kid. don't try to say other wise, some 13 year old kid sits in the back of the fuckin class room, got his minecraft shirt on, thinks hes smart but gets really shit grades.
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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #272 on: 12 April 2016, 09:20:55 PM »
The ancient Greeks mentioned that the sun was in an orbit of its own and wasn't stagnant? I haven't been able to find that via Google. Read all of my freaking post.

Yes, it's called the Geocentric Model, from Aristotle (Ancient Greek, born 384 BCE) and Ptolemy (Ancient Greco-Egyptian, born circa 100 CE) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentric_model - Aristotle used 800 years of research that came prior to him, along with his own observations to arrive at his model.
Sometimes called the Ptolemaic Model, it claims the Moon, Sun, and other planets orbit in a circular motion around the Earth. The Quran verses you shared seem to mention the Sun and Moon in orbits, which certainly wouldn't be new information by the time the Quran was written. It just comes across as a product of the times that the book was written. That would have been knowledge at that time in history, it's not something new that the Quran amazingly predicted. Nor does it somehow prove your god is real.

It's worth noting that Aristotle and Ptolemy were partially incorrect in two major ways: Orbits are usually elliptical rather than circular, and it's the Sun in the middle rather than the Earth. But still, the point is that the concept of orbits predates the Quran by over 1000 years.

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Ako is falsely saying I have lied. Trying to imply a whole answer indirectly =/= dishonesty. I have never ignored a single piece of counter-evidence. Stop being that guy. Quit your injustifiable, stupid insults.

If you've never ignored any counter-evidence, then why haven't you admitted your arguments are incorrect? Will you admit your arguments are incorrect?


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Now quit talking irrelevant trash. Now that I think about it, your whole "no claim, therefore burden of proof is on you" is nothing but a dirty, cheap debating strategy.

That is basic logic. I haven't made a claim so I have nothing to prove. You have made a claim, so the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim.

Remember, you're the one who said you have evidence that your god is real.


Imagine if the burden of proof didn't work like this. I could just say: I hereby claim the Flying Spaghetti Monster, full of sauce and cheese, is the creator of everything and the only true deity. Now, without providing evidence for my own claim, it is apparently your burden to disprove my claim. Have fun. I guess I can just make any claim and get away with it!


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Here's some food for thought, which I'm sure you're about to immediately defy while you're most likely already pressing the "Reply" button as you're reading this:

AKO'S ARGUMENT IN A NUTSHELL: Atheists don’t claim that God doesn’t exist. They lack belief in God. The burden of proof for God is on the theist, not the atheist.

This isn't so much an argument, it's just the position I'm in. I didn't make a claim. That's it.

But you're exactly right, and you worded that pretty well. I'm so glad you've FINALLY acknowledged this position without inserting words into my mouth. Took, what, 3 months?


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This is nothing but a technicality you're using to try to put the burden on the other side. Since “atheism” means “without a belief in God”, you're not claiming anything and therefore supposedly do not have to prove anything. And thus you claim the burden of proof is on me, who claims that God exists.

Yes, you've got this right. I don't know what you mean by technicality though - I'm not trying to put the burden on the other side, because that's the only place the burden of proof ever lays: on the person who makes the claim. You mean like I'm technically correct on this basic flow of argument logic? I'll take that. Technically correct is a pretty damn good kind of correct. With my Flying Spaghetti Monster example in mind, do you honestly think the burden of proof requirement should be the other way around?


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However, this makes little difference either way because your core philosophy toward God is still the same. You believe that there is no God, and you know it. You emphasize this in order to try to put yourself in an unattackable position. It’s a semantic ploy. To try to be consistent with it, you keep saying “There is no evidence for God” rather than “God doesn't exist”.

DON'T YOU PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH YOU LITTLE FUCK. You little fuck. Fuck you. I never made the assertion that I am certain that there's no gods, and I have never claimed to have evidence that shows that there is absolutely no god. Stop being an asshole. Don't you tell me what I know. Again, if you want to actually ask my position on something, you may ask me. BUT DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. Dishonest little fuck.

What is honestly the matter with you? Why do you keep doing this weird dishonest bullshit over and over again? Cut it the fuck out already. Holy shit man.

Until there is good evidence for your god, I won't believe in it. That's my position on your god.


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You can’t really prove that God doesn’t exist because I can’t prove a negative.

Your logic is exactly backwards. I'm the one who can't prove the negative, not you. You're making a positive claim (that your god exists). You also say you have evidence for your positive claim, which is what I want you to share. So far your evidence posts have been very weak, often displaying fundamental flaws in your understanding of science and history. You can improve on this, but viewing these subjects from such a narrow religious standpoint is hindering your understanding rather than helping you, unfortunately.


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Regardless, you obviously believe that deep down that there isn't a God or deity anyway, which is prevalent in your attempts to debunk and refute every single argument for the existence of God.  Therefore, this trivial debate about the implications of the word “atheism” seems pointless in substance.

Again, if you want to ask me my position, ASK.


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And now to wait for you to attack me with a copy-paste claim.

What? Aren't you the one who copy-pastes entire webpages without sourcing them? Wtf.
I rarely even copy-paste stuff, and almost always source my information when I feel it's relevant to do so.






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theirs no evidence that prove god exists, although I believe in god, their is no evidence. its a belief, people choose to believe in god. stop trying to prove god exists to someone who obviously doesn't believe in god.

Octo drops an honesty bomb. Why can't you be this honest, Ender?

I appreciate your honesty on this, Octo. I had one of these conversations with Witch once too, and he was also extremely honest, which I also appreciated greatly. It's so nice when people are honest.
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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #273 on: 12 April 2016, 09:22:22 PM »
dude my pleasure honesty is my #1 goal here on vc fourms.

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #274 on: 12 April 2016, 09:38:02 PM »
Ender, what the fuck are you saying with the copy paste thing, huh? You're the one who plagiarized entire replies. This is such a dishonest statement from you, because you're a dishonest cunt.




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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #275 on: 12 April 2016, 10:43:39 PM »
lol you are a kid. don't try to say other wise, some 13 year old kid sits in the back of the fuckin class room, got his minecraft shirt on, thinks hes smart but gets really shit grades.
thats you ender.
1. Never owned nor plan on owning any Minecraft merchandise, ever.
2. I had a 4.2 GPA in high school. 'Nuff said.

Back on topic.

Ender, what the fuck are you saying with the copy paste thing, huh? You're the one who plagiarized entire replies. This is such a dishonest statement from you, because you're a dishonest cunt.

I'll admit the embryo one was a lot of info taken from somewhere else, but that's the closest thing you'll ever get to "plagiarizing entire replies". Again, quit adhering to the false alarms coming from your MexiSenses.

@Akomine, I've read the entire post (LIKE I HAVE WITH LITERALLY EVERY POST), and while I still think you're exploiting a cheap debating tactic, you do make a good counter-argument. Now don't be that guy and say I'm ignoring your other points when I only question the following:

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Your logic is exactly backwards. I'm the one who can't prove the negative, not you. You're making a positive claim (that your god exists). You also say you have evidence for your positive claim, which is what I want you to share. So far your evidence posts have been very weak, often displaying fundamental flaws in your understanding of science and history. You can improve on this, but viewing these subjects from such a narrow religious standpoint is hindering your understanding rather than helping you, unfortunately.
False. Your logic is backwards here. When I say I can't prove a negative, I mean that I can't disprove your disbelief, which would be negative. I don't view these subjects from a narrow religious standpoint. I'm trying to look out for anything that raises an eyebrow within this. Kinda stupid on my part, considering I already know about Ptolemy and his geocentric model of the solar system (later disproved as the Earth is obviously not at the solar system's center). If you want to get a serious discussion about say, I don't know, quantum mechanics, out of me, you easily could.

This debate was civil once. If you could quit your unnecessary, idiotic insults...that would be GREAT. As, you know, they contribute ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the debate! Nothing whatsoever! IKR!
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Another argument: How did the Quran know about the universe's expansion? I don't recall the ancient Greeks knowing about this.

Verse: "And it is We (God) who have constructed the heaven (universe) with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it." (51:47)

If I'm correct, I think it was Alexander Friedmann and  Georges Lemaitre who first theoretically calculated that the universe is constantly expanding.

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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #276 on: 12 April 2016, 10:52:09 PM »
bullshit you got a 4.2 gpa in highschool, you have not even started highschool yet. and don't try to say you have i've seen your behavior on VC and even on the fourms.

begging for invincible chickens
begging for knockback sticks
plagiarizing articles
copy and pasting your arguments.
complaining when someone threatens to report you for pvp log
screaming at that person for killing you when you log back in arena
you also thought it was illegal to kill while in arena?

huh, sure seems like a bunch of shit a 13 year old would do. 4.2 gpa in highschool my ass.
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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #277 on: 12 April 2016, 10:59:30 PM »
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This debate was civil once. If you could quit your unnecessary, idiotic insults...that would be GREAT. As, you know, they contribute ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the debate! Nothing whatsoever! IKR!

A debate is not civil when the other party is a dishonest asshole, they aren't idiotic insults, they are deserved insults.
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Verse: "And it is We (God) who have constructed the heaven (universe) with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it." (51:47)
Also, how the fuck does heaven equate to universe, it only means that to you and whatever muslim website(s) you are pulling this shit from. What a huge fucking stretch, this is no evidence, how do you even classify that as evidence? It is straight nonsense. And are you ever gonna bother replying to the other verses you posted that Luis and Ako disproved? Probably not, because again, you are a dishonest cunt. You cherry pick what you want, you reply to what you want and ignore what you don't like. Ako replies to your comments point by point and you continue to evade shit.
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Re: #PrayforIstanbul
« Reply #278 on: 12 April 2016, 11:11:45 PM »
@Akomine, I've read the entire post (LIKE I HAVE WITH LITERALLY EVERY POST), and while I still think you're exploiting a cheap debating tactic, you do make a good counter-argument. Now don't be that guy and say I'm ignoring your other points when I only question the following:

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Your logic is exactly backwards. I'm the one who can't prove the negative, not you. You're making a positive claim (that your god exists). You also say you have evidence for your positive claim, which is what I want you to share. So far your evidence posts have been very weak, often displaying fundamental flaws in your understanding of science and history. You can improve on this, but viewing these subjects from such a narrow religious standpoint is hindering your understanding rather than helping you, unfortunately.
False. Your logic is backwards here. When I say I can't prove a negative, I mean that I can't disprove your disbelief, which would be negative.

I don't care if you READ my entire post. I want you to respond to it. Why did you pick this one paragraph to respond to?

And why would you want to "disprove my disbelief"? What the fuck? Who is asking you to do that, and for what reason would you try? This is so random.

Respond to the rest of my post.

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