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The time to end terrorism
« on: 20 March 2016, 08:50:00 AM »
People. This has gone on way too long. Everywhere we look, people cry out in religious fanaticism, wishing infidels to burn in Hell and sometimes even ending their (the infidel's) life in the hopes that they will go to Hell. People go to public places, places which we thought were safe, places where we could go for help, but these extremists come and in their twisted view of life, murder people who seek help about their bodies or who go to worship at a Church.

It is time that we combat terrorism at its source. We must ask the people whom the terrorists claim to represent to stand up and take a stand against these terrorists.

White people, you need to stand up and condemn your KKK, Church shooters, segregation activists and abortion clinic shooters! I mean, I know that most white people are moderates, but the fact that many white people are neglecting to condemn these acts publicly makes people feel uncomfortable around them... It's almost like they are all terrorists... Nah, we're sure that they're not.

Also, it's not like white people go around judging an entire group of people by the actions of a few, so we shouldn't judge white people by the actions of a few extremists. If they'd do the same for us then we need to support white people so they feel free to speak up against terrorists.

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Re: The time to end terrorism
« Reply #1 on: 20 March 2016, 09:26:54 AM »
White people, you need to stand up and condemn your KKK, Church shooters, segregation activists and abortion clinic shooters!

i fucking love it when these happen why would i wanna condemn them lol

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Re: The time to end terrorism
« Reply #2 on: 20 March 2016, 12:49:25 PM »
Let's not even beging to compare how much more dangerous are Islamic terrorists than idiot christian fanatics shooting up abortion clinics. When was the last time some idiot brain washed christians went from village to village beheading people and causing wars? Or killed 130 people in a European country in a single day. Couldn't you just have mentioned the US starting wars? Why are you making this about white people? Also it is so easy for muslim terrorists to justify their actions with the quran...
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Re: The time to end terrorism
« Reply #3 on: 20 March 2016, 01:08:18 PM »
Also I don't see white people glorifying abortion clinic shooters on Twitter like muslims do. Oh and when was the last time a christian terrorist blew himself up because of how big of a brain washed idiot he is? I'm sorry but muslim fanatics are more dangerous than white terrorists.




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Re: The time to end terrorism
« Reply #4 on: 20 March 2016, 01:34:46 PM »
It was just some satire... Also, it's quite easy for an abortion clinic shooter to justify his actions in the Bible.

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Re: The time to end terrorism
« Reply #5 on: 20 March 2016, 02:09:26 PM »
By the way, if you viewed this from a non-bigoted point of view, this was clearly satire to how Muslims are grouped together because the actions of a few. God forbid anyone say that fanatics are dangerous, no, no, it's the MUSLIM fanatics. MUSLIM terrorists. MUSLIM extremists. Please, most terrorist acts aren't committed by Muslims. And nearly all Muslims certainly do not cheer about the Paris shootings. If you're going to go and cherry-pick some isolated tweets, then you really shouldn't ignore the ones by other extremists. I've SEEN Tweets glorifying Church shootings, Donald Trump and Tweets by radicals calling for the death of all people but their own religion/race. By the way, the KKK at its HEIGHT at 3 million members. There's not even that many Muslim terrorists. How about you stop viewing the world from an Islamically-Critical stance, and look at what else is happening around the world. Also, you say that you are just as harsh on Christians, but I haven't seen you going around shitting on them. I've made two posts, one on an Istanbul bombing, the other a bit of light-humoured satire, and somehow they both turned into a debate or argument or whatever. By the way, I won't even bother to respond to anything which will include isolated incidents or random Qur'anic verses like: "Well, this clearly glorifies the killing of infidels... So."

Good fucking evening to you.

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Re: The time to end terrorism
« Reply #6 on: 20 March 2016, 03:24:35 PM »
Lol I have mentioned on the forums plenty of things christians have done, crusades, Africa, etc. Also if you got people born and raised in Europe going to Syria to join ISIS, there's obviously something wrong with the religion and I think you underestimate the amount of terrorists influenced by Islam. The KKK is weak now, they are insignificant, shootings at abortion clinics are isolated cases. I think saying most terrorists aren't muslim is bullshit, the top most powerful terrorist organizations hold Islamic views and thats a fucking fact. Muslim terrorist organizations are the current biggest threat to the national security of the western world and even more so in the middle east.

I do not have a bias, i am realistic and unlike you, my judgement isn't clouded by the burden of my own religion. You are the one who is biased.




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Re: The time to end terrorism
« Reply #7 on: 20 March 2016, 03:36:08 PM »
Lol I have mentioned on the forums plenty of things christians have done, crusades, Africa, etc. Also if you got people born and raised in Europe going to Syria to join ISIS, there's obviously something wrong with the religion and I think you underestimate the amount of terrorists influenced by Islam. The KKK is weak now, they are insignificant, shootings at abortion clinics are isolated cases. I think saying most terrorists aren't muslim is bullshit, the top most powerful terrorist organizations hold Islamic views and thats a fucking fact. Muslim terrorist organizations are the current biggest threat to the national security of the western world and even more so in the middle east.

I do not have a bias, i am realistic and unlike you, my judgement isn't clouded by the burden of my own religion. You are the one who is biased.
Also, to add to my point, the world would be better off without all religions, they do more harm than good. Christians, muslims, jews, it's all poison.

And your thread didn't come off as satire at all.
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Re: The time to end terrorism
« Reply #8 on: 21 March 2016, 09:05:47 PM »
Livid, I kindof got that it was some sort of sarcasm or satire, at least at times, and it seems like a response to the recent posts on the other threads.

I just want to be clear: just because we're currently discussing Islam does NOT mean we are ignoring other crimes in the world. On behalf of Air and I: fuck all religions, they are all mind poison that share lies to gullible people (often from a young age), and compel them to believe things that aren't reality, and compel them to act on their factually incorrect beliefs. I'm glad we're in the age of information at our fingertips, so naturally religion is in decline. In the other thread we've been digging for basic answers to fundamental questions, such as evidence of Ender's version of god, but have STILL not received any.

We do not think all Muslims are bad people based on the actions of the radical ones. If your satire was targeted at us, you're aiming at the wrong people.



I'll respond to your second post with some jotted down thoughts, since this post from you isn't satire:

By the way, if you viewed this from a non-bigoted point of view, this was clearly satire to how Muslims are grouped together because the actions of a few. God forbid anyone say that fanatics are dangerous, no, no, it's the MUSLIM fanatics. MUSLIM terrorists. MUSLIM extremists. Please, most terrorist acts aren't committed by Muslims. And nearly all Muslims certainly do not cheer about the Paris shootings. If you're going to go and cherry-pick some isolated tweets, then you really shouldn't ignore the ones by other extremists. I've SEEN Tweets glorifying Church shootings, Donald Trump and Tweets by radicals calling for the death of all people but their own religion/race. By the way, the KKK at its HEIGHT at 3 million members. There's not even that many Muslim terrorists. How about you stop viewing the world from an Islamically-Critical stance, and look at what else is happening around the world. Also, you say that you are just as harsh on Christians, but I haven't seen you going around shitting on them. I've made two posts, one on an Istanbul bombing, the other a bit of light-humoured satire, and somehow they both turned into a debate or argument or whatever. By the way, I won't even bother to respond to anything which will include isolated incidents or random Qur'anic verses like: "Well, this clearly glorifies the killing of infidels... So."

Good fucking evening to you.

- People do say fanatics are dangerous. Muslim extremists happen to be unusually numerous in the modern day, so there's extra emphasis on paying attention to them. I don't like when they are ignored and I equally don't like when innocent people are demonized by association.

- Nobody here is specifically ignoring Christian terrorists.

- The KKK is not at its height at 3 million members. What the fuck are you talking about and where did you get this statistic? This is a difficult thing to count because the "KKK" as we know it doesn't exist any more, and instead there are 40 or so groups that call themselves some variant or successor of the KKK. There are about 5000 people known to be subscribed to one of these groups, not 3 million. You must have made that up or got it from a terribly incorrect source. Just the number 3 million is an obvious "uhhhh, no."

- Stop viewing the world from an Islamically-critical stance? No. No religion gets a free pass, and if there were a free pass to give, Islam sure as fuck ain't getting it.

- Look at what else is happening in the world? Agreed.

- Air shits on Christianity all the time. We actually don't discuss Islam very often, and your Istanbul thread turned into a conduit for doing that.

- What's wrong with a debate?

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Re: The time to end terrorism
« Reply #9 on: 22 March 2016, 01:13:45 PM »
Livid, I kindof got that it was some sort of sarcasm or satire, at least at times, and it seems like a response to the recent posts on the other threads.

I just want to be clear: just because we're currently discussing Islam does NOT mean we are ignoring other crimes in the world. On behalf of Air and I: fuck all religions, they are all mind poison that share lies to gullible people (often from a young age), and compel them to believe things that aren't reality, and compel them to act on their factually incorrect beliefs. I'm glad we're in the age of information at our fingertips, so naturally religion is in decline. In the other thread we've been digging for basic answers to fundamental questions, such as evidence of Ender's version of god, but have STILL not received any.

We do not think all Muslims are bad people based on the actions of the radical ones. If your satire was targeted at us, you're aiming at the wrong people.



I'll respond to your second post with some jotted down thoughts, since this post from you isn't satire:

By the way, if you viewed this from a non-bigoted point of view, this was clearly satire to how Muslims are grouped together because the actions of a few. God forbid anyone say that fanatics are dangerous, no, no, it's the MUSLIM fanatics. MUSLIM terrorists. MUSLIM extremists. Please, most terrorist acts aren't committed by Muslims. And nearly all Muslims certainly do not cheer about the Paris shootings. If you're going to go and cherry-pick some isolated tweets, then you really shouldn't ignore the ones by other extremists. I've SEEN Tweets glorifying Church shootings, Donald Trump and Tweets by radicals calling for the death of all people but their own religion/race. By the way, the KKK at its HEIGHT at 3 million members. There's not even that many Muslim terrorists. How about you stop viewing the world from an Islamically-Critical stance, and look at what else is happening around the world. Also, you say that you are just as harsh on Christians, but I haven't seen you going around shitting on them. I've made two posts, one on an Istanbul bombing, the other a bit of light-humoured satire, and somehow they both turned into a debate or argument or whatever. By the way, I won't even bother to respond to anything which will include isolated incidents or random Qur'anic verses like: "Well, this clearly glorifies the killing of infidels... So."

Good fucking evening to you.

- People do say fanatics are dangerous. Muslim extremists happen to be unusually numerous in the modern day, so there's extra emphasis on paying attention to them. I don't like when they are ignored and I equally don't like when innocent people are demonized by association.

- Nobody here is specifically ignoring Christian terrorists.

- The KKK is not at its height at 3 million members. What the fuck are you talking about and where did you get this statistic? This is a difficult thing to count because the "KKK" as we know it doesn't exist any more, and instead there are 40 or so groups that call themselves some variant or successor of the KKK. There are about 5000 people known to be subscribed to one of these groups, not 3 million. You must have made that up or got it from a terribly incorrect source. Just the number 3 million is an obvious "uhhhh, no."

- Stop viewing the world from an Islamically-critical stance? No. No religion gets a free pass, and if there were a free pass to give, Islam sure as fuck ain't getting it.

- Look at what else is happening in the world? Agreed.

- Air shits on Christianity all the time. We actually don't discuss Islam very often, and your Istanbul thread turned into a conduit for doing that.

- What's wrong with a debate?

I meant that the KKK had 3 million, there was a typo. :P The thread wasn't really directed at anyone, it was just some satire: a joke. Yes, what's happening in the world is bad and Islam is used as a reason for terrorist attacks, but the associtation of Islam and terrorism has grown since US invasions. However, I still would not say that the majority of terrorists are Muslim, quite a few are. Moreover, if my understanding of a terrorist is correct it's to intimidate or terrorise people to further their agenda. By that standard many different people or orginizations could be classified as terrorists. Most notebly, Israel. That atheist who shot dead three Muslims because he hated Islam and Muslims. That doesn't sound that different from a Muslim killing a Jew or a Christian because they believe them to be infidels. For the last point, there's nothing wrong with a debate. I'm sorry about that respond, I was a bit heated. :)

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Re: The time to end terrorism
« Reply #10 on: 22 March 2016, 02:57:15 PM »
Ah I see the typo now, all good. It's worth noting that Christianity/Catholicism used to be the religion that committed the most crimes against humanity, but it seems in the modern era western countries have moved secular and it has lost most of its control. In the middle east and surrounding regions, Islam has huge control currently, and we are seeing what happens when religion is allowed to act with impunity, just like Christianity used to. That is: Christianity used to be the "big bad religion", but now it's Islam. If we were living 1000 years ago, we'd be talking about the prominent level of terrorism associated with Christianity.

I think the association with Islam and terrorism has grown, for me at least, because there are a LOT of muslims who hold concerning radical views. Not all of course, but it seems the support for extremist behaviour/beliefs is noticeably higher than usual in that religion here in 2016. I think I've posted some polling before that confirms that.

That atheist killing a muslim thing - do you have a link? I didn't hear about that. (And I don't really understand why him being an atheist is worth mentioning.)

You're right about the definition of terrorism. And I agree with you, by that definition the Israeli government is a terrorist organization. Same with the United States.
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« Reply #11 on: 22 March 2016, 04:23:00 PM »
Ah I see the typo now, all good. It's worth noting that Christianity/Catholicism used to be the religion that committed the most crimes against humanity, but it seems in the modern era western countries have moved secular and it has lost most of its control. In the middle east and surrounding regions, Islam has huge control currently, and we are seeing what happens when religion is allowed to act with impunity, just like Christianity used to. That is: Christianity used to be the "big bad religion", but now it's Islam. If we were living 1000 years ago, we'd be talking about the prominent level of terrorism associated with Christianity.

I think the association with Islam and terrorism has grown, for me at least, because there are a LOT of muslims who hold concerning radical views. Not all of course, but it seems the support for extremist behaviour/beliefs is noticeably higher than usual in that religion here in 2016. I think I've posted some polling before that confirms that.

That atheist killing a muslim thing - do you have a link? I didn't hear about that. (And I don't really understand why him being an atheist is worth mentioning.)

You're right about the definition of terrorism. And I agree with you, by that definition the Israeli government is a terrorist organization. Same with the United States.

The article said something like 'Atheist kills three Muslims,' so that's why I mentioned it. I'll find the article in a bit, cheers.

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« Reply #14 on: 22 March 2016, 05:05:44 PM »
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Re: The time to end terrorism
« Reply #15 on: 30 April 2016, 11:51:30 AM »
Now I understand how ONE crazy christian ran into an abortion clinic and busted up the place is basically terrorism, but no you CANNOT justify it with the bible. "Vengeance is God's alone..." sayeth the Lord. Thats what christians believe but we also fuck up alot so on behlaf of christianity "our bad" its a human thing. But to us abortion is literally killing millions of children, so I can see how just holding up a sign to stop abortion can get annooying when u believe millions of kids are being killed, I guess u feel like ur not doing enough. 
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« Reply #16 on: 30 April 2016, 01:09:53 PM »
Now I understand how ONE crazy christian ran into an abortion clinic and busted up the place is basically terrorism, but no you CANNOT justify it with the bible. "Vengeance is God's alone..." sayeth the Lord. Thats what christians believe but we also fuck up alot so on behlaf of christianity "our bad" its a human thing. But to us abortion is literally killing millions of children, so I can see how just holding up a sign to stop abortion can get annooying when u believe millions of kids are being killed, I guess u feel like ur not doing enough.

Like all the other big mainstream religions, there are countless contradictions. So on one hand you can justify it with one verse, and on the other hand you can refute it with another.

Similarly, there are arguments/justifications for and against abortion in the bible, with several verses demonstrating that it is not only acceptable to terminate a fetus, but it's even acceptable to kill a young infant (infanticide) as long as it isn't more than a month or so old. There's a verse that seems to even allow for infanticide as long as the child isn't over 5 years old, so long as you can afford to pay 5 silver shekels for a boy and 3 for a girl. And then there's also a lovely verse in Genesis that requires a woman who is pregnant with a child "by whoredom" to be burnt to death. Burn the pregnant whore! Fetus and all!

As I often say, I'd prefer if we didn't act like we can derive morals from ancient books that are filled with stuff like this, as well as endless contradictions and falsehoods, perpetuated by illiterate desert tribes from 2 thousand years ago.


Here's a nice little list of some of the things the bible says about abortion and infanticide: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/abortion.html

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Re: The time to end terrorism
« Reply #17 on: 30 April 2016, 01:27:43 PM »
Now I understand how ONE crazy christian ran into an abortion clinic and busted up the place is basically terrorism, but no you CANNOT justify it with the bible. "Vengeance is God's alone..." sayeth the Lord. Thats what christians believe but we also fuck up alot so on behlaf of christianity "our bad" its a human thing. But to us abortion is literally killing millions of children, so I can see how just holding up a sign to stop abortion can get annooying when u believe millions of kids are being killed, I guess u feel like ur not doing enough.

It is terrorism...

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« Reply #18 on: 30 April 2016, 07:44:22 PM »
Its probably important to understand the nature of the old testament which no one ever does XD mostly cause people aren't open enough to actually look through it or to go to sources that tell people what the mean instead of using the bible as a fundamental source. Its not made to be a fundamental source and its almost impossible to understand it unless you really want to. And Im not deriving morality as a direct source, but I digress. My argument isn't valid unless people want to learn about it lolXD
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« Reply #19 on: 30 April 2016, 08:07:12 PM »
Its probably important to understand the nature of the old testament which no one ever does XD mostly cause people aren't open enough to actually look through it or to go to sources that tell people what the mean instead of using the bible as a fundamental source. Its not made to be a fundamental source and its almost impossible to understand it unless you really want to. And Im not deriving morality as a direct source, but I digress. My argument isn't valid unless people want to learn about it lolXD

I'll learn about it. What ya got?

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