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Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« on: 30 April 2016, 10:25:18 PM »
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VICE News has obtained footage taken from the headcam of an Islamic State (IS) fighter who died in March while battling Kurdish peshmerga troops in northern Iraq. The clash took place about 30 miles north of Mosul.

Unlike IS propaganda, which often presents sweeping battlefield victories, the video shows chaos, panic, and the fighters retreating.
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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #1 on: 1 May 2016, 12:40:54 PM »
Some say he's still rolling in the mud to this day

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #2 on: 1 May 2016, 06:46:06 PM »
Some say he's still rolling in the mud to this day

As Adele would say, he is rolling in the deep.

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #3 on: 1 May 2016, 08:52:01 PM »
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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #4 on: 2 May 2016, 07:03:18 AM »
I love seeing stuff like that come from this region. Many of the Armed Forces and terrorist/paramilitary groups are absolute trash at combat. They are, however, very adept at ambush tactics using explosives and whatnot. Daesh has been regularly getting their asses handed to them by the Kurds throughout the whole occupation of Syria and Iraq. The Iraqi military, even though billions of dollars and over a decade of training has been given to them, are actually worse fighters than Daesh even. I, for the life of me, cannot figure out how they are so damn bad when Iraq has fought so many wars in recent history. Iran isn't much better, and the Syrian Armed Forces are only adept at killing their own civilians. Al-Qaeda, Daesh, Al-Shabaab, Boko Haram and other terrorist/extremist organizations are only successful when they target civilians and weak government targets, such as in Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Djibouti, Yemen, et al. yet falter against strong, determined foes. Footage like this helps to break the air of almost mystical invulnerability too many in this world believe about them. Do not be too bold, there are groups in the past that ARE very effective at conventional AND assymetrical warfare, such as Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq, the Mahdi Army, the Quds Force and other nasties like that. Fortunately, they are far smaller in numbers, far more focused on singular objectives and generally get more involved with the political arena as time goes on. Think of them as the ME equivalent of the IRA.

If you want a shining example of how an Arab/Middle Eastern military should be, look to Jordan. Very professional, well-trained, and dedicated to whatever mission they are tasked to do. If it was the Jordanian military instead of Daesh behind the terrorism, I would definitely worry. Regardless, extremism, in any form, be it religious or political, has no place in modern society. Hopefully the world will be galvanized enough to join the fight to end this shit and pressure the shadow benefactors behind many of these groups to either join in and stop funneling money or face dire consequences, such as the House of Saud. It has been leaked that the pages of the 9/11 commission that are still classified remain so due to evidence of direct Saudi involvement in that attack, as well as many others.

Alright, now to an analysis of this video. First, the equipment used by Daesh in this video is actually not that bad. The vehicles are most certainly subpar, but improvised armored vehicles are a viable tool of war when no other options exist. The weaponry is a bit old and outdated, but is still just as lethal. The tactics, though, the tactics... well they leave a lot to be desired. Bitching about hot brass from your crew-served gunner? Fuck off! That is your largest casualty-causing weapon system. If I had a penny for every time I caught a casing down my collar, I wouldn't be here talking to you all. I'd be naked and drunk on my own private island. War is not comfortable. Second, the RPG-7, as with any rocket propelled munition, has something called a backblast. The grenadier did not clear the back end of the launcher over the armor plating enough and could have killed his fellow fighters. We are trained to yell out "backblast area clear!" before we launch ANY rocket-propelled munitions. This prevents unnecessary injury. If they were worried about using it in close quarters, fill a gallon ziplock bag with salt water to dampen the backblast.

As far as rolling around on the ground like that? Open desert. Exposed. No cover/concealment. The point of infantry movement techniques is to move as quickly as possible, utilizing as much cover/concealment as possible, and still be combat effective. Rolling around Hollywood-style accomplishes NONE of that. If the Kurds had better positioning, they could have picked them off with ease. A low crawl or 3-5 second rush with your squad members providing covering fire would have been safer and more effective here. Also, why does it always seem like no one ever really aims their weapons in vids like these? Yes, the more rounds you can send down range, the better, but the more rounds you can send down range ACCURATELY is best. Thank Ako, our Lord and Saviour (so fucking fancy I put the U in there) that the collective might of the world is fighting these fucktards and not a rehash of the Soviet Union or something like that.

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #5 on: 2 May 2016, 08:05:22 AM »
I love seeing stuff like that come from this region. Many of the Armed Forces and terrorist/paramilitary groups are absolute trash at combat. They are, however, very adept at ambush tactics using explosives and whatnot. Daesh has been regularly getting their asses handed to them by the Kurds throughout the whole occupation of Syria and Iraq. The Iraqi military, even though billions of dollars and over a decade of training has been given to them, are actually worse fighters than Daesh even. I, for the life of me, cannot figure out how they are so damn bad when Iraq has fought so many wars in recent history. Iran isn't much better, and the Syrian Armed Forces are only adept at killing their own civilians. Al-Qaeda, Daesh, Al-Shabaab, Boko Haram and other terrorist/extremist organizations are only successful when they target civilians and weak government targets, such as in Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Djibouti, Yemen, et al. yet falter against strong, determined foes. Footage like this helps to break the air of almost mystical invulnerability too many in this world believe about them. Do not be too bold, there are groups in the past that ARE very effective at conventional AND assymetrical warfare, such as Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq, the Mahdi Army, the Quds Force and other nasties like that. Fortunately, they are far smaller in numbers, far more focused on singular objectives and generally get more involved with the political arena as time goes on. Think of them as the ME equivalent of the IRA.

If you want a shining example of how an Arab/Middle Eastern military should be, look to Jordan. Very professional, well-trained, and dedicated to whatever mission they are tasked to do. If it was the Jordanian military instead of Daesh behind the terrorism, I would definitely worry. Regardless, extremism, in any form, be it religious or political, has no place in modern society. Hopefully the world will be galvanized enough to join the fight to end this shit and pressure the shadow benefactors behind many of these groups to either join in and stop funneling money or face dire consequences, such as the House of Saud. It has been leaked that the pages of the 9/11 commission that are still classified remain so due to evidence of direct Saudi involvement in that attack, as well as many others.

Alright, now to an analysis of this video. First, the equipment used by Daesh in this video is actually not that bad. The vehicles are most certainly subpar, but improvised armored vehicles are a viable tool of war when no other options exist. The weaponry is a bit old and outdated, but is still just as lethal. The tactics, though, the tactics... well they leave a lot to be desired. Bitching about hot brass from your crew-served gunner? Fuck off! That is your largest casualty-causing weapon system. If I had a penny for every time I caught a casing down my collar, I wouldn't be here talking to you all. I'd be naked and drunk on my own private island. War is not comfortable. Second, the RPG-7, as with any rocket propelled munition, has something called a backblast. The grenadier did not clear the back end of the launcher over the armor plating enough and could have killed his fellow fighters. We are trained to yell out "backblast area clear!" before we launch ANY rocket-propelled munitions. This prevents unnecessary injury. If they were worried about using it in close quarters, fill a gallon ziplock bag with salt water to dampen the backblast.

As far as rolling around on the ground like that? Open desert. Exposed. No cover/concealment. The point of infantry movement techniques is to move as quickly as possible, utilizing as much cover/concealment as possible, and still be combat effective. Rolling around Hollywood-style accomplishes NONE of that. If the Kurds had better positioning, they could have picked them off with ease. A low crawl or 3-5 second rush with your squad members providing covering fire would have been safer and more effective here. Also, why does it always seem like no one ever really aims their weapons in vids like these? Yes, the more rounds you can send down range, the better, but the more rounds you can send down range ACCURATELY is best. Thank Ako, our Lord and Saviour (so fucking fancy I put the U in there) that the collective might of the world is fighting these fucktards and not a rehash of the Soviet Union or something like that.

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #6 on: 2 May 2016, 09:38:28 AM »
A lot of words that I enjoyed reading, thanks for the valuable insight, Witch.

Some notes: Jordan seems like a military powerhouse from some things I've seen. Another VICE piece shows their giant military tradeshow, which includes modern weaponry, sophisticated tactics, and all-in-all quite an impressive dick measuring contest. http://www.vice.com/en_ca/video/sofex-the-business-of-war-full-length
To top it all off, Jordan seems like a more moral nation to its people than many other nations in the region (just from things I've read, I can't say I know enough for sure, perhaps it's negligible), and also has taken in a ridiculously massive amount of refugees.

Kurdistan is, from some things I've read and seen, quite an inspiring story for such a fucked up region. They seem to be a long-downtrodden people who truly do have better morals at their backbone (again, correct me if I'm wrong). And now they're at long last getting a chance at self-determination.  They have money, they have support, they have territory, and they have some military balls to defend themselves. Most importantly, they seem to have a shot at moving in the direction of proper democracy. But we'll see. Do you have any more detailed thoughts on Kurdistan, Witch?


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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #7 on: 2 May 2016, 03:42:09 PM »
A lot of words that I enjoyed reading, thanks for the valuable insight, Witch.

Some notes: Jordan seems like a military powerhouse from some things I've seen. Another VICE piece shows their giant military tradeshow, which includes modern weaponry, sophisticated tactics, and all-in-all quite an impressive dick measuring contest. http://www.vice.com/en_ca/video/sofex-the-business-of-war-full-length
To top it all off, Jordan seems like a more moral nation to its people than many other nations in the region (just from things I've read, I can't say I know enough for sure, perhaps it's negligible), and also has taken in a ridiculously massive amount of refugees.

Kurdistan is, from some things I've read and seen, quite an inspiring story for such a fucked up region. They seem to be a long-downtrodden people who truly do have better morals at their backbone (again, correct me if I'm wrong). And now they're at long last getting a chance at self-determination.  They have money, they have support, they have territory, and they have some military balls to defend themselves. Most importantly, they seem to have a shot at moving in the direction of proper democracy. But we'll see. Do you have any more detailed thoughts on Kurdistan, Witch?


You forgot the U in Lourd. Lourd and Saviour Ako. Heathen scum, grovel correctly!

Kurdistan. Well, the only experience I have with Kurdistan is Iraqi Kurdistan. I have been to Irbil, the capitol, and it is gorgeous. Largely untouched by both the invasion and the sectarian violence. The Iraqi Kurds are far more tolerant of other religions/ethnicities/nationalities than pretty much anywhere else in that area. They do have a bit of a sordid past, what with their involvement in the Armenian Genocide when Kurdistan was occupied by the Ottoman Empire. Since then, it seems as if they have continuously tried to atone for that by being a haven for refugees from all over the Middle East, Persia and the Caucasus. They have been fighting an, until now, losing battle for independence since before Alexander marched his armies to India, yet still somehow persevered. They are, according to many sources such as the UN Human Rights Watch, the single largest stateless nation in the world. I don't know how they do it, but they not only manage to eke out an existence for them, but thrive where others would succumb to subjugation or worse. By the way, they are like the Swiss. Every Kurd is part of their Armed Forces, whether at home protecting each other or on the front lines fighting Daesh or countless others they have forced out of their lands. They have more than just balls; they are damn good at fighting.

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #8 on: 2 May 2016, 08:32:08 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: 3 May 2016, 12:54:31 AM »
A lot of words that I enjoyed reading, thanks for the valuable insight, Witch.

Some notes: Jordan seems like a military powerhouse from some things I've seen. Another VICE piece shows their giant military tradeshow, which includes modern weaponry, sophisticated tactics, and all-in-all quite an impressive dick measuring contest. http://www.vice.com/en_ca/video/sofex-the-business-of-war-full-length
To top it all off, Jordan seems like a more moral nation to its people than many other nations in the region (just from things I've read, I can't say I know enough for sure, perhaps it's negligible), and also has taken in a ridiculously massive amount of refugees.

Kurdistan is, from some things I've read and seen, quite an inspiring story for such a fucked up region. They seem to be a long-downtrodden people who truly do have better morals at their backbone (again, correct me if I'm wrong). And now they're at long last getting a chance at self-determination.  They have money, they have support, they have territory, and they have some military balls to defend themselves. Most importantly, they seem to have a shot at moving in the direction of proper democracy. But we'll see. Do you have any more detailed thoughts on Kurdistan, Witch?


You forgot the U in Lourd. Lourd and Saviour Ako. Heathen scum, grovel correctly!

Kurdistan. Well, the only experience I have with Kurdistan is Iraqi Kurdistan. I have been to Irbil, the capitol, and it is gorgeous. Largely untouched by both the invasion and the sectarian violence. The Iraqi Kurds are far more tolerant of other religions/ethnicities/nationalities than pretty much anywhere else in that area. They do have a bit of a sordid past, what with their involvement in the Armenian Genocide when Kurdistan was occupied by the Ottoman Empire. Since then, it seems as if they have continuously tried to atone for that by being a haven for refugees from all over the Middle East, Persia and the Caucasus. They have been fighting an, until now, losing battle for independence since before Alexander marched his armies to India, yet still somehow persevered. They are, according to many sources such as the UN Human Rights Watch, the single largest stateless nation in the world. I don't know how they do it, but they not only manage to eke out an existence for them, but thrive where others would succumb to subjugation or worse. By the way, they are like the Swiss. Every Kurd is part of their Armed Forces, whether at home protecting each other or on the front lines fighting Daesh or countless others they have forced out of their lands. They have more than just balls; they are damn good at fighting.

You could in fact argue that Kurds have managed to eke out an existence after all these years due to, in general, cultural syncretism. Kurds in Turkey, for instance, are a significant minority and are pretty much like the rest of the population. Obviously it's not a case of total assimilation of course, for the population still generally holds on to their heritage, local customs, and whatnot.

Oh, and if you wouldn't mind me asking Witch, are there another particular groups of people (nationality-wise and/or ethnic) you believe are still legitimately doing well in terms of fighting back against ISIS/Daesh? Would you happen to have any firsthand accounts of such things as well, seeing that you have quite a bit of experience in the Middle East?

Just my two cents.

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #10 on: 3 May 2016, 01:08:02 AM »
Witch, wtf was that rifle grenade they used at some point in the video, they had to literally ignite a fuse before shooting it.




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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #11 on: 3 May 2016, 06:39:58 AM »
Ender, there isn't a kurd population in Turkey. They are a prosecuted minority and offically there are none in turkey except for prison populations
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« Reply #12 on: 3 May 2016, 12:59:17 PM »
A lot of words that I enjoyed reading, thanks for the valuable insight, Witch.

Some notes: Jordan seems like a military powerhouse from some things I've seen. Another VICE piece shows their giant military tradeshow, which includes modern weaponry, sophisticated tactics, and all-in-all quite an impressive dick measuring contest. http://www.vice.com/en_ca/video/sofex-the-business-of-war-full-length
To top it all off, Jordan seems like a more moral nation to its people than many other nations in the region (just from things I've read, I can't say I know enough for sure, perhaps it's negligible), and also has taken in a ridiculously massive amount of refugees.

Kurdistan is, from some things I've read and seen, quite an inspiring story for such a fucked up region. They seem to be a long-downtrodden people who truly do have better morals at their backbone (again, correct me if I'm wrong). And now they're at long last getting a chance at self-determination.  They have money, they have support, they have territory, and they have some military balls to defend themselves. Most importantly, they seem to have a shot at moving in the direction of proper democracy. But we'll see. Do you have any more detailed thoughts on Kurdistan, Witch?


You forgot the U in Lourd. Lourd and Saviour Ako. Heathen scum, grovel correctly!

Kurdistan. Well, the only experience I have with Kurdistan is Iraqi Kurdistan. I have been to Irbil, the capitol, and it is gorgeous. Largely untouched by both the invasion and the sectarian violence. The Iraqi Kurds are far more tolerant of other religions/ethnicities/nationalities than pretty much anywhere else in that area. They do have a bit of a sordid past, what with their involvement in the Armenian Genocide when Kurdistan was occupied by the Ottoman Empire. Since then, it seems as if they have continuously tried to atone for that by being a haven for refugees from all over the Middle East, Persia and the Caucasus. They have been fighting an, until now, losing battle for independence since before Alexander marched his armies to India, yet still somehow persevered. They are, according to many sources such as the UN Human Rights Watch, the single largest stateless nation in the world. I don't know how they do it, but they not only manage to eke out an existence for them, but thrive where others would succumb to subjugation or worse. By the way, they are like the Swiss. Every Kurd is part of their Armed Forces, whether at home protecting each other or on the front lines fighting Daesh or countless others they have forced out of their lands. They have more than just balls; they are damn good at fighting.

You could in fact argue that Kurds have managed to eke out an existence after all these years due to, in general, cultural syncretism. Kurds in Turkey, for instance, are a significant minority and are pretty much like the rest of the population. Obviously it's not a case of total assimilation of course, for the population still generally holds on to their heritage, local customs, and whatnot.

Oh, and if you wouldn't mind me asking Witch, are there another particular groups of people (nationality-wise and/or ethnic) you believe are still legitimately doing well in terms of fighting back against ISIS/Daesh? Would you happen to have any firsthand accounts of such things as well, seeing that you have quite a bit of experience in the Middle East?

Just my two cents.

I would love to talk about the Kurds in Turkey, but I will have to defer for a bit. Not a lot of time right now. Just know that yes, you are partly correct, but it is far more complicated than just that. As far as other populations successfully fighting Daesh, other than foreign powers, not really. The Syrian rebels can't get along well enough to create a strong front, the Syrian military can't even successfully defend a turd without Iran and Russia helping out, and the Iraqi military is second only to the Afghan military in terms of absolute fuckery. The Druze, Yazidi, et al. have tried but failed, due to lack of equipment, training, support and money, so they pretty much sided with the Kurds in all of this. I wish more would help out. As far as Turkey goes, on one hand they provide material support yet on the other they are buying stolen Iraqi and Syrian oil from Daesh and funneling weapons and foreign fighters through their territory to Daesh. First hand accounts will have to wait a bit when I can write further as well.

Ender, there isn't a kurd population in Turkey. They are a prosecuted minority and offically there are none in turkey except for prison populations

The Kurds make up the single largest congruous minority in Turkey. They ARE a PERSECUTED minority, but things are getting better. The Kurds haven't played nice either, just research the PKK, a socialist/communist group that has been fighting in Turkey for decades. Again, don't oversimplify the situation.

Witch, wtf was that rifle grenade they used at some point in the video, they had to literally ignite a fuse before shooting it.

Rifle-launched grenades are nothing new in warfare. Been around since Napoleonic times. The ones used in this video are improvised grenades using HME as the explosives (homemade explosives). With the fuse and all that, they hearken back to the earlier, far more simple grenades used way back when certain types of cannonballs, such as explosive rounds, also had fuses, before warfare had evolved to use pressure or impact fuses.

I will be back before days end to further elaborate on Ender's discussion on the Kurds in Turkey.

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #13 on: 3 May 2016, 01:40:03 PM »
A lot of words that I enjoyed reading, thanks for the valuable insight, Witch.

Some notes: Jordan seems like a military powerhouse from some things I've seen. Another VICE piece shows their giant military tradeshow, which includes modern weaponry, sophisticated tactics, and all-in-all quite an impressive dick measuring contest. http://www.vice.com/en_ca/video/sofex-the-business-of-war-full-length
To top it all off, Jordan seems like a more moral nation to its people than many other nations in the region (just from things I've read, I can't say I know enough for sure, perhaps it's negligible), and also has taken in a ridiculously massive amount of refugees.

Kurdistan is, from some things I've read and seen, quite an inspiring story for such a fucked up region. They seem to be a long-downtrodden people who truly do have better morals at their backbone (again, correct me if I'm wrong). And now they're at long last getting a chance at self-determination.  They have money, they have support, they have territory, and they have some military balls to defend themselves. Most importantly, they seem to have a shot at moving in the direction of proper democracy. But we'll see. Do you have any more detailed thoughts on Kurdistan, Witch?


You forgot the U in Lourd. Lourd and Saviour Ako. Heathen scum, grovel correctly!

Kurdistan. Well, the only experience I have with Kurdistan is Iraqi Kurdistan. I have been to Irbil, the capitol, and it is gorgeous. Largely untouched by both the invasion and the sectarian violence. The Iraqi Kurds are far more tolerant of other religions/ethnicities/nationalities than pretty much anywhere else in that area. They do have a bit of a sordid past, what with their involvement in the Armenian Genocide when Kurdistan was occupied by the Ottoman Empire. Since then, it seems as if they have continuously tried to atone for that by being a haven for refugees from all over the Middle East, Persia and the Caucasus. They have been fighting an, until now, losing battle for independence since before Alexander marched his armies to India, yet still somehow persevered. They are, according to many sources such as the UN Human Rights Watch, the single largest stateless nation in the world. I don't know how they do it, but they not only manage to eke out an existence for them, but thrive where others would succumb to subjugation or worse. By the way, they are like the Swiss. Every Kurd is part of their Armed Forces, whether at home protecting each other or on the front lines fighting Daesh or countless others they have forced out of their lands. They have more than just balls; they are damn good at fighting.

You could in fact argue that Kurds have managed to eke out an existence after all these years due to, in general, cultural syncretism. Kurds in Turkey, for instance, are a significant minority and are pretty much like the rest of the population. Obviously it's not a case of total assimilation of course, for the population still generally holds on to their heritage, local customs, and whatnot.

Oh, and if you wouldn't mind me asking Witch, are there another particular groups of people (nationality-wise and/or ethnic) you believe are still legitimately doing well in terms of fighting back against ISIS/Daesh? Would you happen to have any firsthand accounts of such things as well, seeing that you have quite a bit of experience in the Middle East?

Just my two cents.

I would love to talk about the Kurds in Turkey, but I will have to defer for a bit. Not a lot of time right now. Just know that yes, you are partly correct, but it is far more complicated than just that. As far as other populations successfully fighting Daesh, other than foreign powers, not really. The Syrian rebels can't get along well enough to create a strong front, the Syrian military can't even successfully defend a turd without Iran and Russia helping out, and the Iraqi military is second only to the Afghan military in terms of absolute fuckery. The Druze, Yazidi, et al. have tried but failed, due to lack of equipment, training, support and money, so they pretty much sided with the Kurds in all of this. I wish more would help out. As far as Turkey goes, on one hand they provide material support yet on the other they are buying stolen Iraqi and Syrian oil from Daesh and funneling weapons and foreign fighters through their territory to Daesh. First hand accounts will have to wait a bit when I can write further as well.

Ender, there isn't a kurd population in Turkey. They are a prosecuted minority and offically there are none in turkey except for prison populations

The Kurds make up the single largest congruous minority in Turkey. They ARE a PERSECUTED minority, but things are getting better. The Kurds haven't played nice either, just research the PKK, a socialist/communist group that has been fighting in Turkey for decades. Again, don't oversimplify the situation.

Witch, wtf was that rifle grenade they used at some point in the video, they had to literally ignite a fuse before shooting it.

Rifle-launched grenades are nothing new in warfare. Been around since Napoleonic times. The ones used in this video are improvised grenades using HME as the explosives (homemade explosives). With the fuse and all that, they hearken back to the earlier, far more simple grenades used way back when certain types of cannonballs, such as explosive rounds, also had fuses, before warfare had evolved to use pressure or impact fuses.

I will be back before days end to further elaborate on Ender's discussion on the Kurds in Turkey.

Thanks Witch. Hopefully we can get a nice, serious discussion around this.

Ender, there isn't a kurd population in Turkey. They are a prosecuted minority and offically there are none in turkey except for prison populations

Kurds were around 20% of the population, last time I checked. I mean, if you want to believe that there are 16 million Kurds in prison, go ahead, I guess. I'm not sure if they've been prosecuted, but I do hear that a lot are persecuted.

Sorry for the sarcasm, it's just that there's several factual inaccuracies in your post alone. Ex Dee.

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #14 on: 3 May 2016, 05:04:36 PM »
Ender, i don't believe anyone invited you into this thread.

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #15 on: 3 May 2016, 05:59:13 PM »
Ender, i don't believe anyone invited you into this thread.
oh i believe you are right.

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #16 on: 3 May 2016, 08:59:55 PM »
Ender, i don't believe anyone invited you into this thread.
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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #17 on: 3 May 2016, 09:42:22 PM »
Ender, i don't believe anyone invited you into this thread.
That's kind of rude

That's what he always says to people. Just giving him a taste of his own medicine.

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #18 on: 4 May 2016, 12:29:51 AM »
Ender, i don't believe anyone invited you into this thread.
That's kind of rude

That's what he always says to people. Just giving him a taste of his own medicine.

I have said that to approximately two people. Mathematically speaking, 2 =/= ℝ. If you're going to enforce a particular rule, you don't need to be a hypocrite about it.

Otherwise, k.

Ender, i don't believe anyone invited you into this thread.
oh i believe you are right.

Nice moderating you're doing there.

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #19 on: 4 May 2016, 01:32:19 PM »
Ender, i don't believe anyone invited you into this thread.
That's kind of rude

That's what he always says to people. Just giving him a taste of his own medicine.

I have said that to approximately two people. Mathematically speaking, 2 =/= ℝ. If you're going to enforce a particular rule, you don't need to be a hypocrite about it.

Otherwise, k.

lol what? how am i a hypocrite? makes no sense

anyways, fuck you, let's not derail this too much, faggot fuck cunt worthless dishonest shitbird whore slut

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #20 on: 4 May 2016, 03:02:01 PM »
Ender, i don't believe anyone invited you into this thread.
That's kind of rude

That's what he always says to people. Just giving him a taste of his own medicine.

I have said that to approximately two people. Mathematically speaking, 2 =/= ℝ. If you're going to enforce a particular rule, you don't need to be a hypocrite about it.

Otherwise, k.

lol what? how am i a hypocrite? makes no sense

anyways, fuck you, let's not derail this too much, faggot fuck cunt worthless dishonest shitbird whore slut
loL!!!

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #21 on: 4 May 2016, 03:15:46 PM »
Ender, i don't believe anyone invited you into this thread.
That's kind of rude

That's what he always says to people. Just giving him a taste of his own medicine.

I have said that to approximately two people. Mathematically speaking, 2 =/= ℝ. If you're going to enforce a particular rule, you don't need to be a hypocrite about it.

Otherwise, k.

lol what? how am i a hypocrite? makes no sense

anyways, fuck you, let's not derail this too much, faggot fuck cunt worthless dishonest shitbird whore slut

Quite unnecessary. We get it, you don't like Ender much. I am sure he doesn't like you much. This, aside from a few derailments, has been a civil discussion so I ask that we keep it this way.

Ender, I would advise not going on the defensive and ignore shiptoasts on this thread. Let us use that other thread (yanno, THAT one) for the shiptoasting. In fact, we should use it as the Official VC hatespeech and rant thread.

That out of the way, back on point. Kurds in Turkey.

For millenia, the Kurds have inhabited much of the area that they inhabit today. They are culturally, ethnically and linguistically "cousins" per se of the proto-Iranian Persians. The Turkomen are relatively newer to the region. It was first inhabited by prehistoric Anatolian peoples with their own unique langauges until the Hellenistic period, in which the Greeks, at the height of their expansion, moved in and settled Asia Minor (Anatolia, or Asiatic Turkey). Then the Persians moved in, then the Greeks/Makedonians, then Seleukids/Parthians/Odrysians/Cantabrians/Galatians(Celts in Turkey. Interesting peoples)/Magyars/blah blah... until Romans, then when the WRE fell and all that was left was the ERE, the Byzantines. Various Turkic peoples migrated in and out of the area during this whole time, such as the Khazars and whatnot. Turkey as a whole did not become Turkic until the Seljuks moved in from Northern Persia around the 10th century, if memory serves me correctly, and eventually formed the Ottoman Turks. Long story short, various ethnicities, esp. the Kurds, inhabited lands around here this whole time. Many Kurds view the Arabs, Levantine and Turkic peoples as invaders and have not enjoyed good relations with any of them. To give an idea of how old the Kurds are, most historians/ethnographers/anthropologists claim that the etymology of their name comes from the Assyrian word Qurdu (yes, pre-biblical Assyrians. That is FUCKING OLD.)

The Kurds have managed to survive by a combination of isolationism and relevant worth. Depending on who is controlling nearby lands, they either became very insular and resisted most attempts at dominance (usually by ceding territory and hiding in mountains) or by selling themselves as mercenaries, paying tribute for autonomy, protecting trade routes to the Far East, et al. That worked very well for them, until the Safavids, and later the Ottomans came in. They were far too powerful, so the Kurds capitulated in favor of some autonomy in exchange for limited fealty.

It would be fallacious to argue that there was a "united" Kurdish state, though, as for most of their history, they were made up of many different principalities and whatnot. Only when outside aggression presented itself did they ever unify. The Kurdish history is one rooted in warfare. They have fought against or for pretty much every major empire or warlord in history, from Alexander to Seleucus to Rome to Chengis Khan and even the Ottomans. Ironically enough, they fought against them as often as for them. They have spent eons making themselves relevant in a world that either ignored them or underestimated them. They are a hardy mountain peoples who were valued for their martial ability, adaptability, and prowess with both spear and bow.

It is important to note that Kurdistan as we know it today is a modern idea. Kurdish nationalism was born after the Ottoman Empire was dismantled after WWI and the Kurds, seeing their window of opportunity, began to fight for independence. The first modern "state" that the Kurds can claim as their own is the Kurdistan Autonomous Region in Iraq. With thousands of years of fighting for their existence, you can understand now why the Kurds have fought FAR harder and more violently against Daesh than anyone else. They are not just fighting to prevent the spread of their twisted Wahhabi/Salafist ideals, but literally fighting for their right to exist.

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #22 on: 4 May 2016, 06:59:44 PM »
You're right I don't like Ender, but I was just fuckin around being silly with the nonsensical quantity of insulting words. Not actually meaning to derail. Carry on.

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #23 on: 22 April 2021, 09:20:27 PM »
heehoo dead isis guys
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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #24 on: 23 April 2021, 01:15:13 PM »
heehoo dead isis guys
yo this posts anniversary is coming up. we missed pray for Istanbul but this is a gem too

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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #25 on: 23 April 2021, 01:53:31 PM »
I miss Witch




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Re: Helmet cam footage of a dead ISIS fighter
« Reply #26 on: 23 April 2021, 02:16:58 PM »
I miss Witch
same.  :( last time I talked to him he messaged me about my slayer profile picture on steam