Why is Octo Staff?

[gerrit70 (OP)]

Octo and his cronies have literally done nothing helpful for anyone in years. Why are they still staff? Octo doesn't even know how to make a region larger without deleting and remaking it. He's been on like 4 times in the last 2 months, and hasn't helped anyone. Octo doesn't care about the players on this server, he only cares about farming and inflating his own bloated ego. Octo is a chuckle fuck who knows his farms cause lag and ruin other players experiences, but he doesnt give a shit, as seen below.

"[Tue Apr 07 09:21:50 EST 2020 (VillageCraft: 52417,11,51619)] OctoGamer: /ss i think its pumpkin farms that cause lag
[Tue Apr 07 09:21:56 EST 2020 (VillageCraft: 52417,11,51619)] OctoGamer: /ss i just turned mine off at the temple
[Tue Apr 07 09:22:00 EST 2020 (VillageCraft: 52417,11,51619)] OctoGamer: /ss and it went from 16 to 20
[Tue Apr 07 09:22:03 EST 2020 (VillageCraft: 52417,11,51619)] OctoGamer: /ss and mine dont even run bro"

In conclusion, Octo doesnt even know basic staff commands, ruins other peoples experiences with glee, and doesnt give a shit about fulfilling any of his duties as a staff member. Octo seems like a pretty chill dude, but goddamn does he deserve to be removed from staff.

[RedFox_13]

Nothing personal against them as staff but Gerrit has a legitimate point. People have been saying it for months but Gerrit has been the first person with enough balls to straight up say it. I agree that there needs to be a change.

[Airbongo]

This is a bit of an unnecessarily toxic thread. Octo's been on staff for like 8 years as mod, SM and admin. Can he not take it easy a bit?

Maybe the staff member who gave you those staff chat logs can chime in. They clearly have something on their mind.

[Shensley]

As air said I would love to hear from the staff who supplied those logs as well. I can only assume I am part of his "cronies" considering I am almost always referred to as part of octo's "gang". Being staff on vc is not a job or something you are required to log so many hours a month on, it is solely volunteer based. Many of us if not all, Have a job, go to school, have families, and just in general have an outside life that is far more important. We have a lot of active staff right now so octo and others taking a break will not hurt vc and wont effect you as a player. I think this post is unwarranted and seems targeted out of hate towards octo. I say this because we have had a lot of other inactive staff who go several months inactive and not a single word is heard from the player base about them being removed.

[chef]

Gerritt has a point and I know a good portion of the server agrees in secret and won't admit it, mostly because they're afraid of Octo. He is downright hostile any time anyone disagrees with him and seems to have very little regard for others. I personally feel he has much more stake in his own ego than helping others and the only reason he's staff is because it's been so long that he feels entitled to it. I will not be posting again in this thread. Have a nice day

[gerrit70 (OP)]

This is a bit of an unnecessarily toxic thread. Octo's been on staff for like 8 years as mod, SM and admin. Can he not take it easy a bit?

Maybe the staff member who gave you those staff chat logs can chime in. They clearly have something on their mind.

This is indeed a hugely toxic thread, and I made it that way for a reason. If I were to make a very lovely and gentle thread pointing out some things about Octo that he could improve sure it would be a lot nicer and more considerate, but then absolutely nothing would get done. People would read, maybe think that is has a couple of good points, maybe think that it doesnt, and then go move on with their lives. By making this post intentionally very targeted and hugely disrespectful, maybe it will actually generate some change because it is certainly sorely needed. Octo has been staff for a long time, and he's done a lot of stuff for a lot of people over those years which was very kind of him and I think that everyone on here appreciates the time he's spent helping people out. Of course he deserves to take it easy for a while, as many other staff are currently doing or have been doing. The issue when it comes to Octo is that at the moment, he gives off the impression that he doesn't give a flying fuck about the people he's supposed to be helping. You can very easily see why that impression exists because of his posts in the farm regulation threads. As a result, a majority of the active player base has a negative view of Octo, because he's very heavily implied that he only cares about helping himself at them moment, and his actions back that up. As far as other inactive-ish staff like Frog or Yvette, they are both very nice people who can come on often, but when they do, they actively try to help the player base. Octo does not do that in the slightest. His last staff action was to overstep his bounds by a large margin twice, both of which were later overturned because he didnt follow the rules or spirit of the server. Again, I think that Octo is a pretty cool guy, and I would honestly rather see him reform and act better than be removed from staff, unfortunately, the toxicity of this thread is necessary to see either of those things through.

To be clear, I was not directly provided those logs by a staff member. They were floating around so to speak.

As air said I would love to hear from the staff who supplied those logs as well. I can only assume I am part of his "cronies" considering I am almost always referred to as part of octo's "gang". Being staff on vc is not a job or something you are required to log so many hours a month on, it is solely volunteer based. Many of us if not all, Have a job, go to school, have families, and just in general have an outside life that is far more important. We have a lot of active staff right now so octo and others taking a break will not hurt vc and wont effect you as a player. I think this post is unwarranted and seems targeted out of hate towards octo. I say this because we have had a lot of other inactive staff who go several months inactive and not a single word is heard from the player base about them being removed.

See above. I am very much aware that being staff on VC is not a job, and I am also aware that everyone on here has outside lives. That does not change the fact that when a huge portion of the players on the server dislike you, you should either reform or be removed from a leadership role. If I were to volunteer at a homeless shelter and 40 percent of the homeless people there actively and continuously disliked me, do I still deserve to hold my position there? Because I am very clearly doing something wrong. It's a bit of a wild metaphor, but it applies. If a large margin of people that by nature you should be helping don't like you, then you've fucked up massively. There are indeed a lot of active staff that can help anyone who needs it right now at most times, but that doesn't dilute the detriments of having staff act the way that both you and Octo do. You also seem to think that I am writing this out of self interest, which is both absurd and untrue; I know that octo being removed wont effect the ability of staff to help players, that is very clear. How it will effect me and other players though, is seeing that staff as a concept and group are actually doing their jobs, the vast majority of you do; but having people that actively degrade that image is certainly not beneficial and it doesn't look good to new players and old players alike. This post is very targeted, you can read why above. However, it is not motivated out of hate for Octo, I genuinely think he's a pretty chill dude, but the way he is and has acted is an active detriment to the server, I would rather see him improve his behavior and actions than be removed from staff, but with similar apathy that he showed the entire player base, I don't really care either way. It is also true that there acre several inactive staff that aren't criticized, and the reasons for that are pretty simple, they actually help people when they are able to get online, and as a result the vast vast majority of the player base likes them. Octo does not fall into either of those categories at the moment, and that is why it has been consistently brought up that he should reform or be removed. If the problem were the players who bring this stuff up, we would also be proposing to remove all semi-inactive staff. But that is not the case, and the only staff member who has this much flak directed at them is octo, and for good reason.

also i'm going fishing so i'll reply later to anything i missed

[Daypath]

shen takes a lot of time moderating the reports and appeals I don't know why you felt the need to target him, also octo has an unbelievable amount of time spent on this server, he's probably going through irl shit leave him be lol. I understand you're probably just blowing off steam but go vent elsewhere gerrit. also if it's worth mentioning I'm not scared of him or shen, but octo has helped me whenever I've asked him, even with my drums lmao

[papamoses]

if you see this as a problem and think octo and his "cronies" are useless  why don't you just apply your butthurt ass for staff. what's  the point of worrying about staff that doesn't come on if it doesn't affect you at all?  I don't see why you had to write all that out only to say octo is inactive and should be removed. There are plenty other staff members on vc that don't get on anymore but still have the staff title. get over it. you say octo is a chill guy yet wrote an essay with quotes for evidence calling him an incompetent asshole lmao, make up your mind.

[Airbongo]

I think this thread is a pretty big overreaction to what I think boils down to "Octo has been a bit of a dick to players recently". I'm definitely open to having a discussion about this and hearing all sides, but this snaky ass way you're going about it is pretty nasty.

To be clear, I was not directly provided those logs by a staff member. They were floating around so to speak.

You posted  admin only logs, not even just staff logs. I would like to know how they were floating around because this is kinda concerning. Where are our cclogger logs just floating around?

[luisc99]

Octo is still staff because he's good at what he does, and he's been a part of this server for longer than most. In that time he's helped many people, and been an important part of our team. He was subject to a staff vote when he returned from his short absence 4 months ago, which had exactly zero people opposing him returning to staff, and a supermajority in favour of re-joining the team as a Super Moderator.

He's been on like 4 times in the last 2 months, and hasn't helped anyone.

In the past 4 months since that vote, he's clocked just under 82 hours of play time on the server, joining it on 52 unique days. (I realised after typing this that you said 2 months, sorry)

Octo doesn't even know how to make a region larger without deleting and remaking it.

For non-rectangular regions, this is correct. The entire region has to be re-defined from scratch, which is a tedious process that very few people enjoy. I don't know the specifics of what you're referring to here, but if this is the case here, then that is the reason why.

Staff are players on the server too, everyone is entitled to play on the server however they like. Just because they are staff does not forbid them from certain tasks or activities. If Octo enjoys farming, he is allowed to do so. You say it can cause lag, although WorldEdit can also cause significant lag, yet I've never heard anyone complain about staff building with it.

Additionally, Octo knows not to distribute private server files. Considering your post contains logs only a limited number of people have access to, it appears at least one member of staff doesn't think that applies to them.

Staff are removed due to inactivity, or, by rare exception, by tribunal. Personally I don't foresee either of these happening any time soon with Octo.

[OctoGamer]

I don't really think your opinion of me "not wanting to help players" Is true at all, Gerrit. Especially being based off one instance where I offered to protect someone's region and they said No they would wait for someone else, who ended up doing exactly what I was going to do in the end. Redrawing and redefining, I just used the words "delete and remake" or whatever - Same thing. Also, It's kind of hard to take an "intentionally toxic thread" seriously when the majority of what you post is Toxic. Please give me some more instances of when I purposely have avoided helping players, Gerrit.

Actually, re reading your posts, I see a lot of contradictions in what you've said. You say this in your first post; "Octo and his cronies have literally done nothing helpful for anyone in years. Why are they still staff?" By the way, only one of my "Cronies" is staff. and then your second one you say this; "Octo has been staff for a long time, and he's done a lot of stuff for a lot of people over those years which was very kind of him and I think that everyone on here appreciates the time he's spent helping people out." Which one is it bud? do I help people or not. You implying that I only care about myself and my ego is pretty farfetched too, considering you only know me from one corner of the internet. Actually, Gerrit, a lot of people on VC would argue that I don't only care for myself, because they've taken the time to get to know me personally, and they know more about my personal life then i've shared with others on VC, infact, I've shared almost none of personal life with you because since the day you joined VC (yea, I remember it) I've thought you were a toxic kid whos just out to rile people up, which by the way, some of the staff think this post was just an attempt to rile me up out of hatred. Which it probably is despite you saying otherwise. I don't think someone who claims they don't really care either way would waste a second of their day on this if they didnt. I probably make more sacrifices for other peoples happiness than you realize, but those details are for the few people i've shared them with who know about my life. and know the sacrifices i make for people in my life, things i've hurt myself over and gotten angry over day after day - just to make someone else comfortable mind you.  I also find it very funny when you say the majority of VC has a "negative view" on me and then you say I have an ego. I probably think more negatively about myself then the people who you are saying think that way about me do. So no, I don't believe I have an inflated ego. I don't believe anyone with self-esteem issues and who has self harmed has can possibly have an "inflated ego"  I believe you just think I have an ego because I'm very blunt and will tell it how it is and I don't really care to filter myself. Also I'm having a hard time not laughing at these posts as I read them knowing they were intended to be "hugely toxic" It's hard to think you made these posts for any reason out of spite for me, Gerrit. which is fine you're entitled to all your opinions here, despite how unpopular they might be in the end.

On the shaz note - Yes the mute may have been uncalled for, but I still stand by it considering I've seen numerous staff members hand out mutes for that exact reason before back in the day before I was staff, and There was extensive talk about shaz before he was banned, and before he was unbanned - which you know absolutely 0 details about because you were not apart of those discussions. So don't try to use that against me when its already been taken care of by the entirety of staff, which again, were mostly in agreement on the ban at first, and then if I recall most of us were for unbanning/reduced punishment afterwards.

There's a lot of backend and background stuff to staff you don't see Gerrit. This entire thread is hugely untasteful and I personally don't believe you have a single clue how staff is ran, what could be considered "basic" and what is "advanced" considering you've never been staff - Also, on a side note - No "admins" or "system people" in the real world ever remember stuff, we have google for that reason, That's coming from 2 professors I've had from System admin classes, both Linux and Windows. On VC we have staff supplementary info, which again, you wouldn't know about because you aren't staff. and None of the staff have EVER been expected to remember how to do things.

I think you typed out giant walls of text for your replies to air and shen because you realized you done fucked up with this toxic post, Gerrit, I know I can be a toxic person sometimes - but right now you certainly are not one to talk, and to be honest, I don't think you ever have been.

2 last things -
The staff member who DID leak these logs should chime up, because someone did at some point, or else you wouldn't have access to them, Gerrit, its simple as that.

and finally, please don't come to me asking about my personal life, if I've shared details with you - you know who you are, and you know who and how i am, and I believe those of you will agree with me when I say I dont think i only care about myself.

[OctoGamer]

"To be clear, I was not directly provided those logs by a staff member. They were floating around so to speak." also Gerrit this is pretty vauge, do you mind elaborating? for the entirety of us apart of the VC staff team

[CRH244]

I would like to thank Octo for taking the time out of his busy day to expand a region for me! Very helpful!!

[Daypath]

Ahh I would like to thank Octo for expanding Death Town and Ieyasu as well!

[Shensley]

I honestly don't care if players on this server dislike me. I can sleep perfectly fine at night knowing that someone on a Minecraft server dislikes what I say or who I am even though they know nothing about me. I will be reforming nothing and I wont be getting removed anytime soon so suck it up. Comparing vc to a homeless shelter is kinda funny ngl but I see your point. Though id like you to point out instances where I have refused to help people? As far as I can tell people don't like me because I really like to use my freedom of speech to express myself by saying bad words. Anyone who dislikes me because of how I speak needs to grow a pair and stop being such a snowflake, how will you ever survive in the real world if you piss yourself over someone saying something bad. Feel free to reply but you wont be changing my mind and definitely wont change how I act

[Cbddallas]

I suppose the simplest answer to the question of “why is Octo staff?” is that the people who make that decision want him to be.

Also, this thread is in the wrong place. Should be under Reports and Grievances, since it’s a bitch thread.

[gerrit70 (OP)]

if you see this as a problem and think octo and his "cronies" are useless  why don't you just apply your butthurt ass for staff. what's  the point of worrying about staff that doesn't come on if it doesn't affect you at all?  I don't see why you had to write all that out only to say octo is inactive and should be removed. There are plenty other staff members on vc that don't get on anymore but still have the staff title. get over it. you say octo is a chill guy yet wrote an essay with quotes for evidence calling him an incompetent asshole lmao, make up your mind.

You cannot apply for staff, that is not how the process works. I have also never desired staff and implying that I do is plainly incorrect. Why would apply for a position that I don't want and cant apply to? I do think that Octo and some of his associates have been an active detriment to the server, that doesn't mean that I personally want to replace them. Massive leaps of logic on your part. I had to write all of that out because I have to communicate my argument well if I want anyone to understand or counter it. As far as the other inactive staff I addressed that above if you would care to read it. Octo is a chill guy, but as a staff member he comes off like an asshole, plain and simple. I like Octo as a person, but as staff he really sucks, my mind is very clearly made up.

[gerrit70 (OP)]

I think this thread is a pretty big overreaction to what I think boils down to "Octo has been a bit of a dick to players recently". I'm definitely open to having a discussion about this and hearing all sides, but this snaky ass way you're going about it is pretty nasty.

To be clear, I was not directly provided those logs by a staff member. They were floating around so to speak.

You posted  admin only logs, not even just staff logs. I would like to know how they were floating around because this is kinda concerning. Where are our cclogger logs just floating around?

I disagree with the assessment that this is a snaky way to go about this. I am very publicly and very openly criticizing Octo, I do not see how that is being a snake. It is nasty and it is an over reaction, but that is apparently the only way to go about it unfortunately.

I will not reveal any additional information about where I received those logs.

[gerrit70 (OP)]

Octo is still staff because he's good at what he does, and he's been a part of this server for longer than most. In that time he's helped many people, and been an important part of our team. He was subject to a staff vote when he returned from his short absence 4 months ago, which had exactly zero people opposing him returning to staff, and a supermajority in favour of re-joining the team as a Super Moderator.

He's been on like 4 times in the last 2 months, and hasn't helped anyone.

In the past 4 months since that vote, he's clocked just under 82 hours of play time on the server, joining it on 52 unique days. (I realised after typing this that you said 2 months, sorry)

Octo doesn't even know how to make a region larger without deleting and remaking it.

For non-rectangular regions, this is correct. The entire region has to be re-defined from scratch, which is a tedious process that very few people enjoy. I don't know the specifics of what you're referring to here, but if this is the case here, then that is the reason why.

Staff are players on the server too, everyone is entitled to play on the server however they like. Just because they are staff does not forbid them from certain tasks or activities. If Octo enjoys farming, he is allowed to do so. You say it can cause lag, although WorldEdit can also cause significant lag, yet I've never heard anyone complain about staff building with it.

Additionally, Octo knows not to distribute private server files. Considering your post contains logs only a limited number of people have access to, it appears at least one member of staff doesn't think that applies to them.

Staff are removed due to inactivity, or, by rare exception, by tribunal. Personally I don't foresee either of these happening any time soon with Octo.

The quote "...and he's [Octo] been a part of this server for longer than most." is a very big insight into why I think a lot of you in this thread are resistant to carrying out an sort of action regarding this manner. Octo has been part of the server for a long time, but that doesn't make him immune to being a bad staff member, which he currently is. Your other point about him being approved by everyone on staff to return to staff is shaky because staff is a very distinct group of people from players. Staff from what I can see are a pretty close group of people, and it is totally understandable that they all voted to bring him back. But they also voted not to bring him back as an administrator because he wasn't doing his job. Why else would he not get that position again? So even though he was brought back, he wants brought back in his previous capacity. That show's that even staff, despite being a relatively close group of people, recognized that he wasn't doing his job correctly. To players, this is much more obvious. In the past couple months has been very inactive, and has done very little staff action, even less of which was beneficial to the server.

He's been on like 4 times in the last 2 months, and hasn't helped anyone.

In the past 4 months since that vote, he's clocked just under 82 hours of play time on the server, joining it on 52 unique days. (I realised after typing this that you said 2 months, sorry)

All good Luis, I appreciate the data either way. Within the past month Octo has been online a total of 4 times. If we were to double this number for two months is would be 8 times in two months. more than I had guessed, but still almost nothing compared to active staff, and when he has been on, he hasn't done almost nothing to help people.

[gerrit70 (OP)]

Octo is still staff because he's good at what he does, and he's been a part of this server for longer than most. In that time he's helped many people, and been an important part of our team. He was subject to a staff vote when he returned from his short absence 4 months ago, which had exactly zero people opposing him returning to staff, and a supermajority in favour of re-joining the team as a Super Moderator.

He's been on like 4 times in the last 2 months, and hasn't helped anyone.

In the past 4 months since that vote, he's clocked just under 82 hours of play time on the server, joining it on 52 unique days. (I realised after typing this that you said 2 months, sorry)

Octo doesn't even know how to make a region larger without deleting and remaking it.

For non-rectangular regions, this is correct. The entire region has to be re-defined from scratch, which is a tedious process that very few people enjoy. I don't know the specifics of what you're referring to here, but if this is the case here, then that is the reason why.

Staff are players on the server too, everyone is entitled to play on the server however they like. Just because they are staff does not forbid them from certain tasks or activities. If Octo enjoys farming, he is allowed to do so. You say it can cause lag, although WorldEdit can also cause significant lag, yet I've never heard anyone complain about staff building with it.

Additionally, Octo knows not to distribute private server files. Considering your post contains logs only a limited number of people have access to, it appears at least one member of staff doesn't think that applies to them.

Staff are removed due to inactivity, or, by rare exception, by tribunal. Personally I don't foresee either of these happening any time soon with Octo.

The quote "...and he's [Octo] been a part of this server for longer than most." is a very big insight into why I think a lot of you in this thread are resistant to carrying out an sort of action regarding this manner. Octo has been part of the server for a long time, but that doesn't make him immune to being a bad staff member, which he currently is. Your other point about him being approved by everyone on staff to return to staff is shaky because staff is a very distinct group of people from players. Staff from what I can see are a pretty close group of people, and it is totally understandable that they all voted to bring him back. But they also voted not to bring him back as an administrator because he wasn't doing his job. Why else would he not get that position again? So even though he was brought back, he wants brought back in his previous capacity. That show's that even staff, despite being a relatively close group of people, recognized that he wasn't doing his job correctly. To players, this is much more obvious. In the past couple months has been very inactive, and has done very little staff action, even less of which was beneficial to the server.

He's been on like 4 times in the last 2 months, and hasn't helped anyone.

In the past 4 months since that vote, he's clocked just under 82 hours of play time on the server, joining it on 52 unique days. (I realised after typing this that you said 2 months, sorry)

All good Luis, I appreciate the data either way. Within the past month Octo has been online a total of 4 times. If we were to double this number for two months is would be 8 times in two months. more than I had guessed, but still almost nothing compared to active staff, and when he has been on, he hasn't done almost nothing to help people.

Octo doesn't even know how to make a region larger without deleting and remaking it.

For non-rectangular regions, this is correct. The entire region has to be re-defined from scratch, which is a tedious process that very few people enjoy. I don't know the specifics of what you're referring to here, but if this is the case here, then that is the reason why.

Staff are players on the server too, everyone is entitled to play on the server however they like. Just because they are staff does not forbid them from certain tasks or activities. If Octo enjoys farming, he is allowed to do so. You say it can cause lag, although WorldEdit can also cause significant lag, yet I've never heard anyone complain about staff building with it.

Yep, I know that they need to be redefined, but Octo thought that the entire region needs to be deleted and remade, the logs for that incident are below. For context, Naomi asks Octo if he can redefine a region, Octo does not know how to do this, and tells her that he will delete and remake the region, hence him asking to to screenshot the member list. This very clearly shows that Octo doesn't even know basic staff commands, probably because he does so little that he either forgot them, or didn't know them in the first place.

"[CM][HMM] ~Naomi » Octo can you help me?
[CM][HMM] ~Naomi » Tils Border needs to be extended
[CM][HMM] ~Naomi » Octoooooooooooooo
[SM][] ~Paul_Gray » ok
[CM][HMM] ~Naomi » Thanks
[SM][] ~Paul_Gray » which way how much
[SM][] ~Paul_Gray » what region id
[CM][HMM] ~Naomi » It's Tilgangur
[CM][HMM] ~Naomi » and over this lovely cobble block
[SM][] ~Paul_Gray » so is it random desert village
[CM][HMM] ~Naomi » no Tilgangur
[SM][] ~Paul_Gray » ok
[SM][] ~Paul_Gray » where is that
[CM][HMM] ~Naomi » go towards the dragon
[SM][] ~Paul_Gray » oh ok
[CM][HMM] ~Naomi » Dreki leads the way
[SM][] ~Paul_Gray » i dont know how to expand a polygon
[SM][] ~Paul_Gray » without redoing it completely so hold on
[CM][HMM] ~Naomi » Ooop okay Cyphur will get it when he gets back if you can't
[SM][] ~Paul_Gray » you cant expand it without redoing it so do you wanna like screenshot the members, polygons can only be expanded vertically
[CM][HMM] ~Naomi » Uhhhh wait"

That is from 11/23/2020 at around 10:04 pm if anyone wants to look.

I also am aware that staff are still players and that they are able to do most things, however, Octo- as shown by the logs above- is very much aware that his farms cause lag and ruin other peoples experiences on the server. Unfortunately, he is selfish enough to continue to use his farms while many people are online, you can see his attitude about this and his apathy about other people on the server in the farm regulation threads, which I will no doubt bring up later in more detail. World edit does cause lag, but staff are generally very considerate when they use it and never use it when there are many people are online. Octo has had no qualms about lagging the server in similar circumstances.

[gerrit70 (OP)]

I don't really think your opinion of me "not wanting to help players" Is true at all, Gerrit. Especially being based off one instance where I offered to protect someone's region and they said No they would wait for someone else, who ended up doing exactly what I was going to do in the end. Redrawing and redefining, I just used the words "delete and remake" or whatever - Same thing. Also, It's kind of hard to take an "intentionally toxic thread" seriously when the majority of what you post is Toxic. Please give me some more instances of when I purposely have avoided helping players, Gerrit.

Actually, re reading your posts, I see a lot of contradictions in what you've said. You say this in your first post; "Octo and his cronies have literally done nothing helpful for anyone in years. Why are they still staff?" By the way, only one of my "Cronies" is staff. and then your second one you say this; "Octo has been staff for a long time, and he's done a lot of stuff for a lot of people over those years which was very kind of him and I think that everyone on here appreciates the time he's spent helping people out." Which one is it bud? do I help people or not. You implying that I only care about myself and my ego is pretty farfetched too, considering you only know me from one corner of the internet. Actually, Gerrit, a lot of people on VC would argue that I don't only care for myself, because they've taken the time to get to know me personally, and they know more about my personal life then i've shared with others on VC, infact, I've shared almost none of personal life with you because since the day you joined VC (yea, I remember it) I've thought you were a toxic kid whos just out to rile people up, which by the way, some of the staff think this post was just an attempt to rile me up out of hatred. Which it probably is despite you saying otherwise. I don't think someone who claims they don't really care either way would waste a second of their day on this if they didnt. I probably make more sacrifices for other peoples happiness than you realize, but those details are for the few people i've shared them with who know about my life. and know the sacrifices i make for people in my life, things i've hurt myself over and gotten angry over day after day - just to make someone else comfortable mind you.  I also find it very funny when you say the majority of VC has a "negative view" on me and then you say I have an ego. I probably think more negatively about myself then the people who you are saying think that way about me do. So no, I don't believe I have an inflated ego. I don't believe anyone with self-esteem issues and who has self harmed has can possibly have an "inflated ego"  I believe you just think I have an ego because I'm very blunt and will tell it how it is and I don't really care to filter myself. Also I'm having a hard time not laughing at these posts as I read them knowing they were intended to be "hugely toxic" It's hard to think you made these posts for any reason out of spite for me, Gerrit. which is fine you're entitled to all your opinions here, despite how unpopular they might be in the end.

On the shaz note - Yes the mute may have been uncalled for, but I still stand by it considering I've seen numerous staff members hand out mutes for that exact reason before back in the day before I was staff, and There was extensive talk about shaz before he was banned, and before he was unbanned - which you know absolutely 0 details about because you were not apart of those discussions. So don't try to use that against me when its already been taken care of by the entirety of staff, which again, were mostly in agreement on the ban at first, and then if I recall most of us were for unbanning/reduced punishment afterwards.

There's a lot of backend and background stuff to staff you don't see Gerrit. This entire thread is hugely untasteful and I personally don't believe you have a single clue how staff is ran, what could be considered "basic" and what is "advanced" considering you've never been staff - Also, on a side note - No "admins" or "system people" in the real world ever remember stuff, we have google for that reason, That's coming from 2 professors I've had from System admin classes, both Linux and Windows. On VC we have staff supplementary info, which again, you wouldn't know about because you aren't staff. and None of the staff have EVER been expected to remember how to do things.

I think you typed out giant walls of text for your replies to air and shen because you realized you done fucked up with this toxic post, Gerrit, I know I can be a toxic person sometimes - but right now you certainly are not one to talk, and to be honest, I don't think you ever have been.

2 last things -
The staff member who DID leak these logs should chime up, because someone did at some point, or else you wouldn't have access to them, Gerrit, its simple as that.

and finally, please don't come to me asking about my personal life, if I've shared details with you - you know who you are, and you know who and how i am, and I believe those of you will agree with me when I say I dont think i only care about myself.

There's a lot of personal stuff in there, and I'm not going to touch any of it because I don't know you very well and I don't really think most of it applies to this anyway. You also said to not come asking about your personal life, I don't I ever have done that I doubt that I ever will. You also seem to be taking this extremely personally, and part of that is my fault for not clarifying that my main issue is with the way you act as a staff member and the way you act online, instead of the person that you are in real life. I don't know you in real life and I cannot make a judgement of your personal character because of that, although I'm sure you're a good guy.  Just keep that in mind going forward, I have no issue with you personally, the only issue that I have is the persona that you have online and the way you act as a staff member.

As far as the first thing that I mentioned, you appear to be both unable, and unwilling to help that player redefine a region. You lied here, you said that you would redraw and redefine it, this is a lie, as very clearly shown in the logs above. Why would Naomi need to screenshot the member list to add them all back if you were simply going to redraw the region? Your intent was clearly to delete and make a new region. Those are not the same thing, and you clearly did not know that there was another way to carry out that action. Furthermore, you admitted that you didn't know how to do that later in your post with your system admins stuff. This is just another reason why you need to be removed or change your behavior? Why are you deceiving players and staff by lying about your actions? Pretty fucking disgraceful if you ask me. Why is it hard to take this thread seriously? I very harshly criticized you. I think that might be something to take seriously. As far as toxicity, when else have I been toxic? I don't think a couple of Shrek pictures that I posted on here in 2017 qualifies as toxic, or is anywhere near as egregious as some of the things that you have done. You ask me to find more circumstances of where you have purposely avoided helping players, I will try to find some instances of that occurring, but no guarantees. Most of that is that you are never online to help anyone, or that you let other staff do it. Highly anecdotal, but I will try to find some more solid evidence soon.

You then go on to say that I contradicted myself, which I did not. I admittedly should have been more clear during my explanation what I meant by those points, but I certainly did not contradict myself. I specified the timeframe on the first quote: "A few years", on the second one I simply say "over the years." These are not mutually exclusive or contradictory, when I said over the years, I was referring to the point before the few years that I mentioned in the other point. To clarify, it is my opinion that Octo has been helpful for many years while he has been staff, but for a year or so, he has not been. Again, not a contradiction if you actually read what I said.

For the rest of this paragraph you really fall into a cycle of calling me toxic and saying that I'm only doing this to rile you interspersed with stuff about your personal life, which I don't care about and which is not relevant to this discussion. I made this post and have continued this discussion because of the issues with your online personality and your actions as a staff member. I do not know if you in a real life have an inflated ego, or act like a bit of a cunt. I doubt that you do, but the reality is that your perceived online personality for many many people is those two things, among many other negatives. Despite what you think, this post is not to rile you up or to get you to ban me "[SM][VIP] ~Igor_Cavalera » I bet gerrits trying to get me to ban him lmao".
I don't think you should be laughing at these posts, I am very seriously writing these to either try to get you to see that the way you have been acting is unacceptable, or to get you removed/demoted from or to a lower level of staff. The main driving reason that I am doing this is because I very deeply care about this server, I've spent a lot of time on it, and I've made quite a few good friends on here. I don't want to see the server and the community built around it harmed, unfortunately, your actions and general demeanor as a staff member degrade the image and function of this server and it's community. Do you really think that I would spend this much time trying to resolve this issue if I was just trying to "being a cuck on the internet" or "being an edge lord". Nice projection there, I'm sure Freud would get a kick out of it, especially because someone else is fucking the person you were trying to get with.

Anyway, yes the mute and ban were uncalled for, but so were your actions after the fact. You conspired with Shen to lock this thread without consulting any other staff because you didn't want the person you wrongfully banned to get a fair word in, probably because you knew your actions were stupid and rash. http://www.villagecraft-server.com/forum/index.php?topic=5286.0 It doesn't matter what you or the rest of the staff though about that ban and that mute, your logic on them flawed and you let your emotions get the best of you twice. Not really model behavior for a staff member, especially one that has been around for so long.

About your little backend systems rant, I have never been staff and don't really know all that much about how that works, I don't know how I would be expected to. However, it doesn't take a staff member to see that your logic here is severely flawed. You said that you couldn't be expected to remember the commands to make redefine a village, which is fair, except for that you didn't know it was possible. If you didn't remember and were aware that the commands to do that existed, why didn't you just check the VC staff utilities to figure out how to do it. Your lying is both annoying and rude to everyone here, for someone who cares a lot about the server, you sure do seem not to mind lying to the people who play on it.

I think that I typed out massive walls of text to continue this discussion and to answer questions posed to me by other members of the community. I don't think I fucked up with this post, it already seems to have worked, today you logged on and tried to help players, which despite you only doing it cover your ass, is a step in the right direction. I hope that you continue in that positive direction. You keep calling me toxic, again a pretty obvious example of a certain defense mechanism. But you have been unable to provide examples. I would look to see a couple of instances where I was 'toxic' outside of me goofing around with friends. I would really appreciate seeing those in your next post.

"To be clear, I was not directly provided those logs by a staff member. They were floating around so to speak." also Gerrit this is pretty vauge, do you mind elaborating? for the entirety of us apart of the VC staff team

I do mind elaborating.

Also, sorry for posting these in chunks, the forums would crash when I tried to do them as one reply.

[gerrit70 (OP)]

I would like to thank Octo for taking the time out of his busy day to expand a region for me! Very helpful!!

Imagine missing the point this much.

[Shensley]

"You conspired with Shen to lock this thread without consulting any other staff" Not even close. You do understand we have a staff discord chat right? Also I hope you understand we don't remove staff for "being a dick" or not helping someone with a region. I get your point of this thread but just thought id let you know you're not getting the outcome you want.

[gerrit70 (OP)]

"You conspired with Shen to lock this thread without consulting any other staff" Not even close. You do understand we have a staff discord chat right?

From what I understand that is exactly what happened. Maybe you could post some screenshots of the discussion to lock that thread in the staff chat to prove me wrong?

I suppose the simplest answer to the question of “why is Octo staff?” is that the people who make that decision want him to be.

Also, this thread is in the wrong place. Should be under Reports and Grievances, since it’s a bitch thread.

This is not a bitch thread, this is a thread to try to resolve an issue. This was not written as a report but as an opening to a hopefully productive discussion.

I honestly don't care if players on this server dislike me. I can sleep perfectly fine at night knowing that someone on a Minecraft server dislikes what I say or who I am even though they know nothing about me. I will be reforming nothing and I wont be getting removed anytime soon so suck it up. Comparing vc to a homeless shelter is kinda funny ngl but I see your point. Though id like you to point out instances where I have refused to help people? As far as I can tell people don't like me because I really like to use my freedom of speech to express myself by saying bad words. Anyone who dislikes me because of how I speak needs to grow a pair and stop being such a snowflake, how will you ever survive in the real world if you piss yourself over someone saying something bad. Feel free to reply but you wont be changing my mind and definitely wont change how I act

I dont care about what you say on the server, quite a bit of it I find hilarious. My issue is that you continuously work with octo to foster an un-ideal environment. Like you locking that thread. You should probably concern yourself more with if the players on the server like you, seeing as you are staff to help them.

[Shensley]

Why do you think me and octo conspire and plan everything we do? We are friends irl yes, but we don't talk about everything together and certainly don't conspire together. I actually didn't talk to octo about any of the shaz incident until after the final decision was made. I will admit I closed the appeal too early but that was my personal decision in which I retracted when I reversed the decision. And again, I do not and will never care about how people on this server view me. You're entitled to your own opinion about me and that's your right. Keep pointing out my flaws but again I wont be getting removed from staff 

[gerrit70 (OP)]

Why do you think me and octo conspire and plan everything we do? We are friends irl yes, but we don't talk about everything together and certainly don't conspire together. I actually didn't talk to octo about any of the shaz incident until after the final decision was made. I will admit I closed the appeal too early but that was my personal decision in which I retracted when I reversed the decision. And again, I do not and will never care about how people on this server view me. You're entitled to your own opinion about me and that's your right. Keep pointing out my flaws but again I wont be getting removed from staff 

That is doubtful, I'm still waiting on those screenshots by the way.

[Shensley]

Screenshots for what? I admitted I closed it prematurely so I don't know what you want a screenshot of?

[gerrit70 (OP)]

"You conspired with Shen to lock this thread without consulting any other staff" Not even close. You do understand we have a staff discord chat right?

From what I understand that is exactly what happened. Maybe you could post some screenshots of the discussion to lock that thread in the staff chat to prove me wrong?

Screenshots of the staff chat where you discussed that action with other staff members besides octo. You may not have talked to him about it, I doubt that, but it is still possible. You also may have just locked it to protect your friend. Either way that is an unacceptable action.

[Shensley]

Ask literally any staff member. They will agree that we had a discussion in the staff chat. I will not be supplying screenshots unless you admit who you got the admin logs from how about that  Me and @Akomine had a long discussion about the appeal so if you really want confirmation that it was discussed why don't you ask the owner 

[gerrit70 (OP)]

Ask literally any staff member. They will agree that we had a discussion in the staff chat. I will not be supplying screenshots unless you admit who you got the admin logs from how about that  Me and @Akomine had a long discussion about the appeal so if you really want confirmation that it was discussed why don't you ask the owner 

Seems like the difference between those two things is that I have evidence to back up my claims, and you do not. I think that those screenshots are vital to this discussion, and would be very appreciative if you or anyone else who has access to them would post them here.

[Shensley]

 I would love to see the evidence that we didn't talk about it.