Attitude on the server..

[Kovos_Datch]

Then the "don't be a douche" rule should not be in place. If you are referring to freedom of speech as stated in the constitution, it is freedom of speech, but you cannot discriminate. That takes away someone else's right as a free individual. Just a thought

First of all, there is /ignore. Second of all, how am I discriminating? I listened to knite, now I am listening to you. I heard your argument and I think it is invalid. Does that mean I am discriminating? No; it means I heard your argument and I think it is foolish. I have not taken away your right at any point in this thread.

You, sir, need to think before you post.

[cjm721]

Then the "don't be a douche" rule should not be in place. If you are referring to freedom of speech as stated in the constitution, it is freedom of speech, but you cannot discriminate. That takes away someone else's right as a free individual. Just a thought

being discriminatory is not always being a douche. Also you have to remember this server's owners are Canadian and don't follow USA's rules. As long as it stays away from reallife threats and does not keep other people from taking in global I am fine with it. If people are getting near the line I tell them. Also remember you are talking to people from around the world everyone has different views and meanings of words. It is something you need to get use to if you ever want to really see the world.

[usrmvm (OP)]

kovos, i was not saying "you" as in you personally i mean "you" as in the person speaking, like the person reading the constitution, the people.

[Kovos_Datch]

kovos, i was not saying "you" as in you personally i mean "you" as in the person speaking, like the person reading the constitution, the people.

Then why not say "one".

Then the "don't be a douche" rule should not be in place. If one is referring to freedom of speech as stated in the constitution, it is freedom of speech, but one cannot discriminate. That takes away someone else's right as a free individual. Just a thought

See? Saying "one" is less personal than saying "you". "You" makes it seem like an attack on someone.

[Islid]

Then the "don't be a douche" rule should not be in place. If you are referring to freedom of speech as stated in the constitution, it is freedom of speech, but you cannot discriminate. That takes away someone else's right as a free individual. Just a thought

Also, it's referring to personal server rules, not the constitution, lol. I guess it could refer to the constitution, but that's awfully country-specific...

[Kovos_Datch]

Then the "don't be a douche" rule should not be in place. If you are referring to freedom of speech as stated in the constitution, it is freedom of speech, but you cannot discriminate. That takes away someone else's right as a free individual. Just a thought

Also, it's referring to personal server rules, not the constitution, lol. I guess it could refer to the constitution, but that's awfully country-specific...

This is true. America has rights stated in Amendments... and Britain has said right in implied areas of government. However, these are only two country out of the many on the face of the Earth. North Korea does not have said rights.... China, to an extent, also do not have said rights.

Sooooooo if we are talking "rights", it becomes a bit controversial.

[knitefall]

Can someone lock this? It just became a political argument. Its a rule, shut up about it.

[Kovos_Datch]

Can someone lock this? It just became a political argument. Its a rule, shut up about it.

Ummm, nobody is arguing here? Islid posed some good points; I posed some good points. We are both stating the same point. I see no argument here.

[Akomine]

Well this is an interesting thread.
I'll add the /ignore command in the tips.

And uh... about this freedom of speech stuff. We uphold it more than most servers seem to. If Knite is trying to get someone to fight him by pissing them off in chat, while it might be seen as sortof douchey by some, it obviously isn't by all. You can be offended all you like, and you make good points, but we can hardly punish him. Use the ignore command if you like.

For what it's worth, the server was established in Canada by Canadians, and if we DID extend rights guaranteed in Canada to the server, it wouldn't be that of the US, but from the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, section 2:

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Fundamental freedoms
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.
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We basically already follow this on the server, without a guarantee. Canada also protects against hate speech when it is intended to cause real harm (excludes being "offended"), which we have actually enforced in the past.
Feel free to let staff know if someone has gone too far.


But to your actual point, usrmvm;
Yes, I can see that new players might be turned off from people talking shit in chat. But whatever, maybe you require a thicker skin to be on a server that has open speech. I get the concern, and appreciate you bringing it up here. Maybe save trash talking to try to get someone to PVP you for private messages or the PVP chat channel (I think we still have one).

[TheCatsMangler]

No one else seems to care. You could also just ignore me

The point is new joiners won't know that

? /ignore is very common command, and if this has anything to do with swear words you should read the tunnel again.

Well you do get people who have went on a server the first time and it is this one and i play servers and i diden know ignore worked and people do over react and get upset

[Kovos_Datch]

No one else seems to care. You could also just ignore me

The point is new joiners won't know that

? /ignore is very common command, and if this has anything to do with swear words you should read the tunnel again.

Well you do get people who have went on a server the first time and it is this one and i play servers and i diden know ignore worked and people do over react and get upset

Could you re-write this with correct grammar in a coherent manner so we can understand what you are saying? Or is precise English too much to ask for from a native English speaker? (Yes, English is Cats' first language. I know this because i asked).

[TheCatsMangler]

Lolwut i only said that as some people are not english thats why i said i could not be any what i don't care

[cjm721]

No one else seems to care. You could also just ignore me

The point is new joiners won't know that

? /ignore is very common command, and if this has anything to do with swear words you should read the tunnel again.

Well you do get people who have went on a server the first time and it is this one and i play servers and i diden know ignore worked and people do over react and get upset

Signs of someone who does not control their emotions and has not been out in the real world.

[Kovos_Datch]

No one else seems to care. You could also just ignore me

The point is new joiners won't know that

? /ignore is very common command, and if this has anything to do with swear words you should read the tunnel again.

Well you do get people who have went on a server the first time and it is this one and i play servers and i diden know ignore worked and people do over react and get upset

Signs of someone who does not control their emotions and has not been out in the real world.

I don't know about that. I think there is an argument here that someone who has been out in the real world long enough could become very emotional.

Yes people more often than not become jaded and apathetic, but there are those few that actually become more caring and more "upset" about the real world. Those people are more likely to change the world- either for better or worse.

Now this is not to say that most people that log onto the server are the "caring, worldly" people. I, too, believe what you are saying. I mean, how many people in the 6 odd million people that actually bought the game are older than 30? Probably not that many. The people logging onto the server are, more likely than not, little 12-15 year old kids that have no idea how to handle themselves on the internet let alone real life.


I'm not really arguing here so much as just taking a different view on it. My idea, yes, is a bit far fetched.... but it doesn't mean it isn't plausible (however I have yet to actually see this happen).

[Lycoris]

I find knitefalls PVP attitude to be a very fun and interesting part of the server.
If everyone was just building and there was no violence it would be a junky server. At least we have people making an effort to go fight someone.
If you are worried about attitude then I would refer to CJ's post. We probably don't need people who can't take a little witty banter or few arguments.
However I joined this server as my first server, So I had no knowledge of the /ignore function at first.
Even so, If a person cannot read the rules and just complains they shouldn't have any need to stay on this server.

I rate this thread,
A
1 out of 5

[JANUARYJONES]

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[knitefall]

Thank you Lycoris